Corona Virus: How Are We Doing?

[Landsurfer]

It’s seemingly not possible to eliminate the virus unless you lockdown completely for months or you are a small country in the middle of the pacific 000s of miles from anywhere. As shown in the graph, lockdown 1 did reduce the number of cases. But the virus was still circulating in the community so as soon as things opened up again it began to rise and the return of some semblance of normality including reopening school, workplaces and hospitality allowed it to spread again unfettered

So another lockdown ... like lock down 2 in December, was never going to work ?, and another lockdown in Jan will be pointless as well ? Your thoughts appreciated...

 

[vickster]

So another lockdown ... like lock down 2 in December, was never going to work ?, and another lockdown in Jan will be pointless as well ? Your thoughts appreciated...

It probably needs to be the same as March to July unfortunately, with the vaccine rolled out ASAP

 

[lane]

From the Daily Telegraph this morning ;

"Almost three times as many under 60s died in road crashes last year as those without health conditions killed by coronavirus, NHS data shows.

Just 388 people under the age of 60 with no underlying health conditions have died of coronavirus in England, NHS data has revealed.

The figures show that only 0.8 per cent of all deaths from coronavirus between April 2 and December 23 came from this group of the population.

In the same time 45,770 people had died with underlying health conditions, while 1,979 were viewed as healthy.

Of these, only 388 were between 40 and 59, 44 were between the ages of 20 and 39, and only six were younger than 19.

In comparison, during the whole of 2019, 955 under-60s died on England’s roads."

Lockdown didn't work, closing schools didn't work, masks haven't worked, Welsh fire break didn't work, Lockdown 2 hasn't worked, destruction of the hospitality industry hasn't worked .... so which one will the government try again i wonder .... I'm sure they can snatch disaster from the jaws of success with the vaccine programme ....

Surprised you haven't been put in charge you have all the answers. I know I am wasting mt breath, but has it occurred to you that all these people who hasn't died is due to the controls and lockdowns etc. We are nearly 90,000 excess deaths and counting though.

 

[Andy in Germany]

From the Daily Telegraph this morning ;

"Almost three times as many under 60s died in road crashes last year as those without health conditions killed by coronavirus, NHS data shows.

To me that suggests less that we are overestimating the impact of C-19, more that we are severely underestimating the danger of a car based transport system. It looks like a corona style lockdown on driving would be a good idea.

 

[Landsurfer]

It probably needs to be the same as March to July unfortunately, with the vaccine rolled out ASAP

Thanks vickster, I have said before that i expect this pathetic government to snatch disaster from the jaws of success with regard to the vaccine ... we'll see ...

 

[Landsurfer]

Surprised you haven't been put in charge you have all the answers. I know I am wasting mt breath, but has it occurred to you that all these people who hasn't died is due to the controls and lockdowns etc. We are nearly 90,000 excess deaths and counting though.

I have no answers, i'm baffled, just as baffled as Handsoncock and Buffoon, but i'm not pretending to lead the country..

 

[vickster]

as Handsoncock

Did you make that up all by yourself

 

[Landsurfer]

Did you make that up all by yourself

Of course not ... i'm not that bright ...

 

[steve292]

So another lockdown ... like lock down 2 in December, was never going to work ?, and another lockdown in Jan will be pointless as well ? Your thoughts appreciated...

In the spirit of debate.

I would think that another set of severe restrictions would be in order. It is obvious from the graphs that from a health point of view that the march to may restrictions were successful in reducing transmissions.
I think that the point that a lot of people are trying to get over is the present low % rate of deaths is due to having enough critical care facilities and staff available. If the health system is overwhelmed that death rate will jump that much is obvious to me.
Edit.. having just seen the 53000 new cases today I would speculate it wont take long at this rate before we are right up shoot creek.

 

[Landsurfer]

In the spirit of debate.

I would think that another set of severe restrictions would be in order. It is obvious from the graphs that from a health point of view that the march to may restrictions were successful in reducing transmissions.
I think that the point that a lot of people are trying to get over is the present low % rate of deaths is due to having enough critical care facilities and staff available. If the health system is overwhelmed that death rate will jump that much is obvious to me.
Edit.. having just seen the 53000 new cases today I would speculate it wont take long at this rate before we are right up shoot creek.

Can I ask if you are on an income based on pension(s) or an active generator of your prime income through full time employment ...
There is a feeling amongst my colleagues and myself that many of those who advocate shutting down the economy are insulated from it's failure, ... retirement, pension etc.
If thats not the case then I think that you are unusual in your stance that "another set of severe restrictions would be in order."
Many of my friends are self employed in industries that have been badly affected by lockdowns, 1 is facing repossession of his home, despite government assurance, ... but thats just my bubble / network ..

 

[Rocky]

Can I ask if you are on an income based on pension(s) or an active generator of your prime income through full time employment ...
There is a feeling amongst my colleagues and myself that many of those who advocate shutting down the economy are insulated from it's failure, ... retirement, pension etc.
If thats not the case then I think that you are unusual in your stance that "another set of severe restrictions would be in order."
Many of my friends are self employed in industries that have been badly affected by lockdowns, 1 is facing repossession of his home, despite government assurance, ... but thats just my bubble / network ..

I think Sweden showed the fallacy of thinking it was possible to keep the economy open and ignore the spread of Covid. They’ve had 9 times the deaths (per 100,000) of their neighbours and their economy still suffered. Their king has just apologised for this policy.

Losing your business is awful but, as Sweden has demonstrated, the alternative is far worse and in the end it doesn’t protect jobs.

 

[Oldhippy]

Sorry to butt in but read the paragraph above. I think that we will have to completely rethink economic structure, work practices and get used to the idea of a new normal. Diseases don't generally pay any attention to inconvenient problems caused to us. A new 'normal' is likely.

 

[lane]

Can I ask if you are on an income based on pension(s) or an active generator of your prime income through full time employment ...
There is a feeling amongst my colleagues and myself that many of those who advocate shutting down the economy are insulated from it's failure, ... retirement, pension etc.
If thats not the case then I think that you are unusual in your stance that "another set of severe restrictions would be in order."
Many of my friends are self employed in industries that have been badly affected by lockdowns, 1 is facing repossession of his home, despite government assurance, ... but thats just my bubble / network ..

China has stricter lockdowns now the economy is back to normal.

 

[Andy in Germany]

I think Sweden showed the fallacy of thinking it was possible to keep the economy open and ignore the spread of Covid. They’ve had 9 times the deaths (per 100,000) of their neighbours and their economy still suffered. Their king has just apologised for this policy.

Losing your business is awful but, as Sweden has demonstrated, the alternative is far worse and in the end it doesn’t protect jobs.

There seems to be a strong correlation of people who vehemently say Lockdown is bad because "business" and people who support Brexit. It's very odd.

 

[lane]

There seems to be a strong correlation of people who vehemently say Lockdown is bad because "business" and people who support Brexit. It's very odd.

In my experience absolutely true.