DaveReading
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Corona Virus: How Are We Doing?
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If you have an alternative explanation for the marked year-on-year increase in relationship breakups, please tell.
Landsurfer
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From the Daily Telegraph this morning ;
"Almost three times as many under 60s died in road crashes last year as those without health conditions killed by coronavirus, NHS data shows.
Just 388 people under the age of 60 with no underlying health conditions have died of coronavirus in England, NHS data has revealed.
The figures show that only 0.8 per cent of all deaths from coronavirus between April 2 and December 23 came from this group of the population.
In the same time 45,770 people had died with underlying health conditions, while 1,979 were viewed as healthy.
Of these, only 388 were between 40 and 59, 44 were between the ages of 20 and 39, and only six were younger than 19.
In comparison, during the whole of 2019, 955 under-60s died on England’s roads."
Lockdown didn't work, closing schools didn't work, masks haven't worked, Welsh fire break didn't work, Lockdown 2 hasn't worked, destruction of the hospitality industry hasn't worked .... so which one will the government try again i wonder ....
I'm sure they can snatch disaster from the jaws of success with the vaccine programme ....
"Almost three times as many under 60s died in road crashes last year as those without health conditions killed by coronavirus, NHS data shows.
Just 388 people under the age of 60 with no underlying health conditions have died of coronavirus in England, NHS data has revealed.
The figures show that only 0.8 per cent of all deaths from coronavirus between April 2 and December 23 came from this group of the population.
In the same time 45,770 people had died with underlying health conditions, while 1,979 were viewed as healthy.
Of these, only 388 were between 40 and 59, 44 were between the ages of 20 and 39, and only six were younger than 19.
In comparison, during the whole of 2019, 955 under-60s died on England’s roads."
Lockdown didn't work, closing schools didn't work, masks haven't worked, Welsh fire break didn't work, Lockdown 2 hasn't worked, destruction of the hospitality industry hasn't worked .... so which one will the government try again i wonder ....
I'm sure they can snatch disaster from the jaws of success with the vaccine programme ....
lazybloke
Today i follow the flying spaghetti monster
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I'm really not sure what point you are making - what do you think is the best way to manage Coronavirus?From the Daily Telegraph this morning ;
"Almost three times as many under 60s died in road crashes last year as those without health conditions killed by coronavirus, NHS data shows.
Just 388 people under the age of 60 with no underlying health conditions have died of coronavirus in England, NHS data has revealed.
The figures show that only 0.8 per cent of all deaths from coronavirus between April 2 and December 23 came from this group of the population.
In the same time 45,770 people had died with underlying health conditions, while 1,979 were viewed as healthy.
Of these, only 388 were between 40 and 59, 44 were between the ages of 20 and 39, and only six were younger than 19.
In comparison, during the whole of 2019, 955 under-60s died on England’s roads."
Lockdown didn't work, closing schools didn't work, masks haven't worked, Welsh fire break didn't work, Lockdown 2 hasn't worked, destruction of the hospitality industry hasn't worked .... so which one will the government try again i wonder ....
If you think lockdowns, masks, school closures and other measures don't work, have you stopped to consider what would happen to all those numbers if we let the virus run free?
Infection rates have already been on the increase through December; the rate of increase is steep; hospitals are on the cusp of being overwhelmed - and that's before we know the impact of festive partying and mixing. You're quoting numbers for a narrow set of deaths; imagine how many more deaths would result from the NHS collapsing.
Surely another strict lockdown is inevitable in January.
Vaccines are the next weapons in the armoury, but they'll take time and might win a battle rather than the war.
Landsurfer
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I haven't got a clue how to manage c-19 .... but i do know that all we have done so far doesn't work ... so can someone come up with something different please, because it cant make things worse than they are now .... at this rate of infection we won't need a vaccine .. we'll all have had it ...
Bazzer
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Whilst the infection may be more transmissible than scientists first believed, a good starting point might have been people following the rules, or as an absolute minimum being sensible.
It feels like almost everyday either I see, or read of people clearly not giving a shoot about their fellow inhabitants of this planet. Today it was Brits in Australia. Yesterday it was Brits hastily leaving Switzerland. Just before Christmas it was the exodus from the South East.
I agree.
I've seen far too many people ignoring, or consciously bending, the rules from very early in the year.
newfhouse
Resolutely on topic
Why do you think the number of daily deaths reduced during May and June? Are you sure the measures taken had no effect?
Landsurfer
Veteran
And we are where we are now ... T5 next ? All these figures we keep being bombarded with ..... how many people in England have had C-19 .. ?
And after 9 months of people not following the rules what is going to make them start now ... ?
One minute the MSM are screaming "We're all going to die" and the next quietly pointing out that most of aren't ... that healthy under 60's are at more risk of death by RTA than of C-19 ... No wonder people ignore rules that don't effect them or their peer / social network ...
We have no members of our social / work / peer group older than us ... i'm the oldest at 62 .... but the way things are being reported in the MSM we will all have had this new faster infecting, but no more dangerous variant, before we get vaccinated.
Julie and i had the virus, all the symptoms, in April, isolated .. got better.
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vickster
Legendary Member
What’s the MSM?
You may have recovered without any sequelae but 10s of 000s of people haven’t
It’s the younger people who might not suffer badly but they certainly transmit it to those more at risk of doing so.
And presumably people continue to die in RTAs so Covid deaths are additional to other causes not instead of.
You may have recovered without any sequelae but 10s of 000s of people haven’t
It’s the younger people who might not suffer badly but they certainly transmit it to those more at risk of doing so.
And presumably people continue to die in RTAs so Covid deaths are additional to other causes not instead of.
Landsurfer
Veteran
Sorry ... Main Stream Media ..
The point i'm trying to make, badly, is that figures dropped and have risen again ... so what ever we did has not reduced the effect ...
I'll call it quits now and get back to fettling and knocking the dirty dog poo brigade ...
The point i'm trying to make, badly, is that figures dropped and have risen again ... so what ever we did has not reduced the effect ...
I'll call it quits now and get back to fettling and knocking the dirty dog poo brigade ...
fossyant
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So it's fine for all those folk that have died of Cv19 ? Too much "won't affect me, so stuff the old or vulnerable". I have a relative that says 'life is for living' and doesn't follow the rules. She might think differently if her mum or nan died because they were too busy mixing.
Landsurfer
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I never said that, don't make things up!
Debate, discuss and accept that your view is not the only valid one ... its called free speech.
lazybloke
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If the virus fatality rate is approx 1%, then we're only about one tenth of the way through the potential number of direct Covid deaths. Or to put it another way, 90% still to go. So vaccines remain vital.
And here's another graph (hospital admissions in England), which shows more effectively the value of the November lockdown, but also the weakness of the tiers in December. That December trend is alarming, especially considering it'll be least late-January before we have a clear idea of the result of festive relaxations.
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vickster
Legendary Member
It’s seemingly not possible to eliminate the virus unless you lockdown completely for months or you are a small country in the middle of the pacific 000s of miles from anywhere. As shown in the graph, lockdown 1 did reduce the number of cases. But the virus was still circulating in the community so as soon as things opened up again it began to rise and the return of some semblance of normality including reopening school, workplaces and hospitality allowed it to spread again unfettered
