Charlie Alliston case - fixie rider accused of causing pedestrian death

[GrumpyGregry]

We don't even have a specific legal prohibition against crossing at a pelican crossing when the red man is showing.

Nor should we have imo.

Any form of jaywalking offence in law means your society has completely sold out to motor vehicles.

 

[jefmcg]

View: https://youtu.be/-AFn7MiJz_s

 

[jefmcg]

[QUOTE 4934751, member: 43827"]I couldn't believe being stopped and given a warning by a policeman in Las Vegas many years ago for crossing an empty road against a pedestrian stop light.

"The land of the free and the home of the brave" my arse![/QUOTE]
you got off lightly

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jan/11/highereducation.education

 

[mjr]

I had to laugh at this bit:

"Drivers are rigorously tested and policed,"​

Rigorous my arse.

I'll remember that when watching a nobber HGV driver trying to reverse out from the Gospel Hall drive onto the A10 after failing to spot the signs, closed gate or read their flaming directions to the industrial park ¼mile away. It used to be one a day on average but I reckon it's approaching two a day lately.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I wonder how the prosecution and sentencing of chuumy will compare with that of the driver in this tragedy...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...d-run-death-keen-cyclist-had-recently-ridden/

 

[jefmcg]

Is the UK really menaced by reckless cyclists?

As an experiment I looked through the news feeds of all UK police forces for the fortnight following the first day of the Alliston trial, and compiled details of the serious road incidents they cited.

It found that over the period, eight pedestrians had been killed after being hit by car drivers, and 27 were seriously injured, in five of these cases the motorist fleeing the scene. Two cyclists were killed (one in a hit and run) and four badly hurt, two again by drivers who did not stop.

Three motorcyclists died after colliding with cars, and 26 people in motor vehicles died in various other collisions (I excluded single-vehicle crashes).

Other incidents included a 12-year-old girl pushed off her bike by a man, after which she was almost hit and killed by a car, and a six-year-old boy run over and trapped under a mobility scooter, the driver of which then left the scene (at a presumably sedate pace)

 

[albion]

When the BBC did an interactive map of cycle fatalities I checked for a couple of fatalities I recalled on roads known to me.
They were both missing, one possibly not there because the guy had got off the bike to, possibly more safely, cross at, I think, lights.

 

[Shut Up Legs]

Is the UK really menaced by reckless cyclists?

The same rubbish occurred in the state of Victoria in Australia recently, when, for the first time in 12 years, a bicycle-pedestrian collision resulted in the death of the pedestrian. The media beat-up was completely out of proportion and not particularly unbiased. In the meantime, close to 200 people are killed in incidents involving motor vehicles in Victoria every year, which is about 2400 over 12 years, 1200 times as many as the 2 pedestrians I just mentioned. Given that the percentage mode share by bicycle in Melbourne is about 2%, this makes the anti-cyclist media articles look more than a bit hypocritical.

 

[GuyBoden]

It's very sad when someone loses their life due to walking in front of a vehicle whilst not looking properly when crossing a road.

 

[TheJDog]

http://road.cc/content/blog/228327-involved-crash-heres-modest-proposal

road.cc ' s article is pretty controversial (the first section, anyway). The rest is probably true.

 

[jefmcg]

It's very sad when someone loses their life due to walking in front of a vehicle whilst not looking properly when crossing a road.

Great. We are back to blaming the victim. <sigh>

 

[GuyBoden]

http://road.cc/content/blog/228327-involved-crash-heres-modest-proposal

road.cc ' s article is pretty controversial (the first section, anyway). The rest is probably true.

Thanks........

Great. We are back to blaming the victim. <sigh>

It was a very tragic event, she walked in front of a moving vehicle and that vehicle had illegal brakes.

 

[albion]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...a-bike-on-uk-roads-feels-too-dangerous-for-me

"proper lynch mob" likely describes soft media who prefer easy targets.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

It's very sad when someone loses their life due to walking in front of a vehicle whilst not looking properly when crossing a road.

It's even more sad that society has degenerated to the point where pedestrians must be herded like cattle to designated crossing points, and controlled with coloured lights, and are expected to adopt a defensive posture at all times, even when on the pavement, when doing that most natural of human activities; walking about, because nobber twats who operate heavy machinery can't be trusted to operate it carefully around vulnerable people. Or each other.

A pedestrian in an urban setting shouldn't have to "look properly" whatever the heck that means, they should expect to be able to walk where they want in safety. But the barbarians have taken over the city.

 

[srw]

http://road.cc/content/blog/228327-involved-crash-heres-modest-proposal

road.cc ' s article is pretty controversial (the first section, anyway). The rest is probably true.

No - it's complete bollocks from beginning to end.