Charlie Alliston case - fixie rider accused of causing pedestrian death

[GuyBoden]

Are you intending to add anything that has not already been said?

Below, is the reason why I've suddenly took an interest in this thread.

I was at a pedestrian crossing on Saturday, I pressed the button and waited, when the "Green Man" started flashing I walked into the road. Then a cyclist rode through with traffic lights on red, very close to me and shouted "Hard luck mate, bad timing". I shouted you're supposed to stop at red lights, he ignored me and cycled on.

 

[PK99]

Below, is the reason why I've suddenly took an interest in this thread.

I was at a pedestrian crossing on Saturday, I pressed the button and waited, when the "Green Man" started flashing I walked into the road. Then a cyclist rode through with traffic lights on red, very close to me and shouted "Hard luck mate, bad timing". I shouted you're supposed to stop at red lights, he ignored me and cycled on.

I've been in Canada for the past week and driving standards are exemplary. Every road user I have seen has, without fail, stopped at crosswalks to let pedestrians cross. the one exception was a cyclist who passed less than a foot in front of and was mildly admonished by the lady waiting to cross - she was met with a mouthful of abuse.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

No - it's complete bollocks from beginning to end.

It is an egotistical wankfest of charmless idiocy.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Below, is the reason why I've suddenly took an interest in this thread.

I was at a pedestrian crossing on Saturday, I pressed the button and waited, when the "Green Man" started flashing I walked into the road. Then a cyclist rode through with traffic lights on red, very close to me and shouted "Hard luck mate, bad timing". I shouted you're supposed to stop at red lights, he ignored me and cycled on.

Don't shout. Drop your shoulder and off the tosser.

 

[T4tomo]

A pedestrian in an urban setting shouldn't have to "look properly" whatever the heck that means, they should expect to be able to walk where they want in safety. But the barbarians have taken over the city.

If they want to live they should.we have pavements for a reason, they separate pedestrians from cars and lorries etc. If you step into the road without looking (and possibly listening) then don't be surprised if you're run over.

 

[srw]

I've been in Canada for the past week and driving standards are exemplary. Every road user I have seen has, without fail, stopped at crosswalks to let pedestrians cross. the one exception was a cyclist who passed less than a foot in front of and was mildly admonished by the lady waiting to cross - she was met with a mouthful of abuse.

Are you sure you're not in London, England rather than London, Ontario? That sounds rather familiar to me.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

If they want to live they should.we have pavements for a reason, they separate pedestrians from cars and lorries etc. If you step into the road without looking (and possibly listening) then don't be surprised if you're run over.

We have pavements because motorists drive like unconscious entitled nobbers, because our society educated them to behave that way. It is barbaric. Cities are for people not vehicles.

 

[Buck]

http://road.cc/content/blog/228327-involved-crash-heres-modest-proposal

road.cc ' s article is pretty controversial (the first section, anyway). The rest is probably true.

Is he trying to be the Jeremy Clarkson of the cycling world? Intentionally controversial but lacking substance. I didn't read past the first section.

Comes across as a complete nobber.

 

[T4tomo]

Are you three seriously suggesting that if you jump out into the road in front of a lorry, then it's not your fault if you get run over?

 

[T4tomo]

We have pavements because motorists drive like unconscious entitled nobbers, because our society educated them to behave that way. It is barbaric. Cities are for people not vehicles.

People drive vehicles and ride cycles. cities are for everyone. The vast majority of vehicles are driven well, by considerate people. Yes there are some knobbers which is why, if you are a pedestrian, you shouldn't leap out into the road without looking. Because the road is where vehicles and cyclist are, and even a considerate driver might mow you down if you don't give them a chance to avoid you.

I believe in personal responsibility for your own actions

 

[growingvegetables]

If they want to live they should.we have pavements for a reason, they separate pedestrians from cars and lorries etc. If you step into the road without looking (and possibly listening) then don't be surprised if you're run over.

FFS.

Just guessing - you drive a skip lorry for a living, and a third-hand-souped-up Audi-with-exhaust-pots for your family.

Yeah - seen your type. Far too often.

 

[T4tomo]

FFS.

Just guessing - you drive a skip lorry for a living, and a third-hand-souped-up Audi-with-exhaust-pots for your family.

Yeah - seen your type. Far too often.

No, I cycle a lot, commute in London, I drive a car and I walk. But you or others I posted in response to, appear to be arguing that as a pedestrian you can do as you want and everyone else should avoid you or face the consequences. I'm merely saying that looking before crossing/ stepping into the road is kind of sensible?

 

[DaveReading]

I'm merely saying that looking before crossing/ stepping into the road is kind of sensible?

Shame on you. Common sense has no place in this thread.

 

[Pale Rider]

Shame on you. Common sense has no place in this thread.

Quite so, far better to post silly pictures designed to ridicule and to call people names.

After all, we are only talking about one ended life and a handful of ruined ones, so it's not as if it's a serious topic.

 

[growingvegetables]

No, I cycle a lot, commute in London, I drive a car and I walk. But you or others I posted in response to, appear to be arguing that as a pedestrian you can do as you want and everyone else should avoid you or face the consequences. I'm merely saying that looking before crossing/ stepping into the road is kind of sensible?

Utter b0ll0x. Nobody has argued that.

The most I have said, is that, as a a guy on a silent bike, riding at 18 mph between moving traffic and the kerb, with no space to "escape", is a pretty good definition of "riding wantonly". And I've been equally clear ... that's MY reading, with all the weaknesses involved in interpretation of a situation.

What does that mean? Personally, between moving traffic and the kerb, I cut my speed. Hard. I look out for pedestrians attempting to cross - and I really don't give a monkey's how "sensible" their choice may be - I just make damned sure I don't hit them.




I expect motor vehicles to look out for me as a vulnerable road user.

I expect of myself that I look out for road users even more vulnerable than me. And I really don't give a b*gg*r for your victim blaming.