Charlie Alliston case - fixie rider accused of causing pedestrian death

[FishFright]

No, I cycle a lot, commute in London, I drive a car and I walk. But you or others I posted in response to, appear to be arguing that as a pedestrian you can do as you want and everyone else should avoid you or face the consequences. I'm merely saying that looking before crossing/ stepping into the road is kind of sensible?

There we go

 

[jefmcg]

[QUOTE 4938935, member: 43827"]So that's why people in cities in the 21st century use them rather than walk in the road.[/QUOTE]
People walk on the road all the time, in London.

Which is why I would never cycle at 18mph through central London unless I could see the pavement was free of pedestrians close enough to the kerb to step out without warning. Because the do that, all the time. It's very annoying, but that doesn't give me the right to put their (or my) life at risk.

Note: I mostly don't cycle at 18mph anyway

 

[Shut Up Legs]

[QUOTE 4938960, member: 43827"]When I am a pedestrian I assume all road users have no sense. When I am a cyclist I assume all pedestrians, and other road users, have no sense.[/QUOTE]
In other words: "when I am a road user, I assume all road users have no sense" ?

(sorry: I'm a software engineer, so reducing complex expressions down to simpler ones is part of the job)

 

[Dan B]

http://road.cc/content/blog/228327-involved-crash-heres-modest-proposal

road.cc ' s article is pretty controversial (the first section, anyway). The rest is probably true.

It's instructive insofar as it made me realise that apparently nobody on the internet has ever heard of Johnathan Swift

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Whatever vehicle I'm riding or driving, I always look out for those more vulnerable, be they horseriders, cyclists, motorcyclists or pedestrians.
If that means adjusting my speed, course or position to accommodate an error on their part then, as the party with greater causative potency, I see that as my duty.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

A pedestrian in an urban setting should not have to "look properly" whatever the heck that means, when walking about in a SHARED PUBLIC SPACE they should expect to be able to walk where they want in safety. That they cannot, and indeed probably ought not do so, simply shows what an effed up topsy-turvy urban environment we have allowed ourselves to create in our on going love affair with the almighty motor.

Urban shared spaces were originally, and in the main, and putting aside some ghastly 20th C aberrations like urban dual carriageways, created for people, not for their vehicles. Else why do most of our urban public shared spaces still retain their pre-motor-vehicular street patterns?

That so many folk think otherwise is

a) conclusive proof that lead induced intellectual impairment is widespread and persistent
b) ignorant of history
c) evidence of the triumph of the very barbarism that city life, civilised life, was originally intended to overcome.

 

[youngoldbloke]

I suspect that even when we shared our 'public spaces' with nothing other than horses and horse drawn vehicles that it would have been prudent to look before stepping into their path.

 

[youngoldbloke]

Edit - ..... to AVOID stepping into their path

 

[GrumpyGregry]

That's more hyperbole. People should look out for each other, otherwise they'd be forever crashing into each other. Was it you that was moaning recently about people being absorbed in their smartphones and not looking where they're going, or was that someone else?

Not me guv. To the best of my recollection anyway.

But a non-smartphone toting pedestrian in an urban setting should not have to exercise extra vigilance when walking about in a SHARED PUBLIC SPACE in order to avoid nobbers on their smartphones. The non-nobber should expect to be able to walk where they want in safety without being on guard. The nobber needs to stop being a nobber and exercise ordinary pedestrian vigilance i.e. watch where they are going.

 

[RoubaixCube]

I slowed down for a pregnant lady crossing the street when the lights turned green the other day... Not even a wave or a thank you

 

[glasgowcyclist]

I slowed down for a pregnant lady crossing the street when the lights turned green the other day... Not even a wave or a thank you

Did you expect gratitude for doing what you're supposed to do?

 

[RoubaixCube]

Did you expect gratitude for doing what you're supposed to do?

Not really but even a nod would of been nice. Im sure she would be a lot more vocal if some other ruffian had almost run her down. But i could se she was preggers and wqited patiently for her to cross before carrying on

 

[RoubaixCube]

Did you expect gratitude for doing what you're supposed to do?

Not really but even a nod would of been nice. Im sure she would be a lot more vocal if some other ruffian had almost run her down. But i could see she was preggers and waited patiently for her to cross before carrying on

 

[RoubaixCube]

[QUOTE 4939232, member: 45"]Do you thank every pedestrian waiting to cross at the side of the road as you pass?[/QUOTE]

No but i thank everyone of them that makes way for me on shared paths. Even if they are wearing headphones

 

[T4tomo]

A pedestrian in an urban setting should not have to "look properly" whatever the heck that means, when walking about in a SHARED PUBLIC SPACE they should expect to be able to walk where they want in safety. That they cannot, and indeed probably ought not do so, simply shows what an effed up topsy-turvy urban environment we have allowed ourselves to create in our on going love affair with the almighty motor.

Urban shared spaces were originally, and in the main, and putting aside some ghastly 20th C aberrations like urban dual carriageways, created for people, not for their vehicles. Else why do most of our urban public shared spaces still retain their pre-motor-vehicular street patterns?

That so many folk think otherwise is

a) conclusive proof that lead induced intellectual impairment is widespread and persistent
b) ignorant of history
c) evidence of the triumph of the very barbarism that city life, civilised life, was originally intended to overcome.

So is a road a shared public space in your definition?

For the record, I think that everyone should look out for each other and try to avoid "crashing" into each other, but also look for for themselves. If everyone wandered around expecting everyone else to avoid them, they wouldn't.