BentMikey and a Subaru Driver

[PBancroft]

Old helmet camera dweeb gets all irate but the lorry driver didnt even do anything wrong in that video.

My bad - linked to the wrong video. Think it should be this one. Will edit my post.

Again, I wouldn't have really called the video Blazed refers to above as worth the time of putting on You Tube, but I wouldn't go so far as to call BM a dweeb over it.

And anyway - Dweeb?

 

[dellzeqq]

In the video with the guy on the phone he sticks the camera virtually through the guy's window. That is the video I am talking about as I clearly state in my post.

I've done the same. It's the way to get a good picture. And the result is almost always the same - incomprehension followed by extreme anger. And the clue, my little friend, is that many many car drivers go around in a state of suppressed frenzy. Given your warning to BentMikey I'd suggest you should lie down and contemplate your own state of mind.

As for 'my friend Dan' I have said all along the Subaru driver is a complete idiot, but you know that and are just looking for a rise out of me.

If you didn't make it so easy.........

 

[blazed]

He did, he overtook to closely on the approach to a load of traffic, WTF is the point in that?

How much room do you want when someone over takes you? He didnt overtake to closely at all assuming the middle of the picture is his head there is plenty of room.

 

[thomas]

How much room do you want when someone over takes you? He didnt overtake to closely at all assuming the middle of the picture is his head there is plenty of room.

With the removal van clip it pays to mention that things can seem worst in real life than they do on a video. For something of that size to come closely it can be quite intimidating.

The other point is, a wide angle lens can sometimes make things look further away than they were when they happened. As well as this, it depends where the camera is position on the bike. If the camera is on the far left it may seem like more room as been given. I guess it is at the middle in the front, but even then you take away a foot for the side of the bike/shoulders/etc, then the space becomes smaller.

The removal driver's driving isn't the worst I've seen, but would another meter really have hurt him?

 

[Origamist]

The frame-grabs don't tell you that BM has veered to the left in order to avoid an even closer overtake. It was good observation and defensive riding.

It was an unnecessary overtake by the HGV as the traffic ahead was queueing. What's more, it forced the cyclist to veer left in order to "facilitate" the overtake.

If you wanted to be ultra-critical of BM's road position when the lorry was approaching, it was not far out enough to inhibit overtakes, but was far enough out to make close passes an issue (particularly drivers of wider track vehicles who don't want to straddle the lane markings).

On a widish lane like that, IMO, you either want to be more to the left or more to the right when approaching queuing traffic.

 

[f1_fan]

And the clue, my little friend, is that many many car drivers go around in a state of suppressed frenzy. Given your warning to BentMikey I'd suggest you should lie down and contemplate your own state of mind.

Well leaving the patronising nature of your reply aside how about you actally read my posts? I am not warning Mikey personally as no road user will ever get a word out of me, I simply don't do road rage, it's so subjective and pointless that I would rather just defuse the situation and go on my way apologising if I am in the wrong.

My warning is that he is antagonistic in his approach and he will one day meet someone who will take matters (wrongly) into his own hands. The fact he will be able to claim the moral high ground will do him no good at all when he is on the end of a physical assault. Still, that's up to him.

In fact I would go as far as to say that Mikey appears to go around in a state of suppressed frenzy just as much as any car driver. After all why else would he go home and create his little vigilante videos complete with all those cute captions to post on You Tube. OCD is the only other answer I can find.

 

[f1_fan]

F1, the only point of yours that worth considering is that maybe one day BM may get a slap. All the other stuff though: Use of airhorn, position on the road, people riding two abrest, guy on the phone talking etc is all rubbish, has no substance at all - none.

I did admire (and laugh) about how you mention that that an Airzound was illegal and then when it was pointed out to you that they were in fact not you went straight down the old path of 'cyclists RLJ, ride on pavements, etc'

Good God, what is this place, home of the 'I can't read a forum post properly to save my life society'???

Not me mate, the two abreast, position on the road, airhorn being illegal etc. etc. were Differentpov's posts not mine. Maybe you lot should actually learn to read people's posts before mounting your high horses eh?

 

[GrasB]

How much room do you want when someone over takes you? He didnt overtake to closely at all assuming the middle of the picture is his head there is plenty of room.

Enough so that if I put my arm out for a signal it isn't touching a car so:
1) I can signal & the vehicles behind can see what I'm doing
2) I actually have space to fall off without a very high risk of serious injury
Personal experience is that cats, squirrels, rabbits & other medium sized mammals have very little road sense. I've personally hit a squirrel at 25mph in town that ran under a car who was overtaking me at the time, thankfully the guy gave me about 2m room while overtaking so I just ate some tarmac. Had he been as close as that lorry I have no idea what would have happened to me.

 

[Differentpov]

Where is the recumbent rider? Does he not have an opinion? Or has he realised cycling round provoking people then filming their reactions is not a good use of spare time and has now decided to get a normal hobby! Im genuinely interested to hear his pov, and to ask hi why he feels the need to post stuff on youtube and go running to the cops 5 times a week, i bet even the cops are sick of him!

 

[Origamist]

Where is the recumbent rider? Does he not have an opinion? Or has he realised cycling round provoking people then filming their reactions is not a good use of spare time and has now decided to get a normal hobby! Im genuinely interested to hear his pov, and to ask hi why he feels the need to post stuff on youtube and go running to the cops 5 times a week, i bet even the cops are sick of him!

He's no longer on this forum. Post on the comments section of his YouTube vids if you want a discussion.

He also writes to companies complimenting their drivers when he encounters courteous behaviour. It's not all negative.

 

[thomas]

Well leaving the patronising nature of your reply aside how about you actally read my posts? I am not warning Mikey personally as no road user will ever get a word out of me, I simply don't do road rage, it's so subjective and pointless that I would rather just defuse the situation and go on my way apologising if I am in the wrong.

My warning is that he is antagonistic in his approach and he will one day meet someone who will take matters (wrongly) into his own hands. The fact he will be able to claim the mroal high ground will do him no good at all when he is on the end of a physical assault. Still, that's up to him.

F1. If you make a mistake an apologise big thumbs up for that! I film my commute and a simple hands up or apology would be all that is needed. We all make mistakes (even CyclingMikey).

I think you could antagonise with the airzound, such as like in this clip (another youtube user) but they can come in handy without causing offence.

Now, from the Dan video. I think we can all admit that the driver is a bit of a knob. I don't think cyclingmikey over reacted with his horn, it certainly wasn't held down. His yell could quite well be a natural reaction.

The video doesn't really show how close Dan was, but as his car was said to be going quite quickly along with probably being quite loud this could give anyone a fright.

Now, I don't think, in this video, Dan was antagonised before he got out of the car. Simply being honked and a yell shouldn't result in someone slamming on the brakes and getting out of the car.

For instance, ages ago I pulled out on a roundabout when I shouldn't. I was in a rush and misjudged their speed. My mistake. I realised this and just wanted to get out of the drivers way, hold my hand up/apologise and move on.

Now, rather than letting me do this, the driver decided to use his car to make a point. He could have quite easily have slowed down or stopped.

Instead of this, he held down his horn until I had stopped. He wouldn't stop or slow down until he could get in front of me, and wiggle his finger to tell me off. Now him holding his horn down like he did, did antagonise me. I wouldn't of minded being honked, but it was the fact he pushed it a few times in such a way just to teach me a lesson. I ended up not apologising and just said something like "alright, I made a mistake" but couldn't really have cared less at this point.

 

[blazed]

With the removal van clip it pays to mention that things can seem worst in real life than they do on a video. For something of that size to come closely it can be quite intimidating.

The other point is, a wide angle lens can sometimes make things look further away than they were when they happened. As well as this, it depends where the camera is position on the bike. If the camera is on the far left it may seem like more room as been given. I guess it is at the middle in the front, but even then you take away a foot for the side of the bike/shoulders/etc, then the space becomes smaller.

The removal driver's driving isn't the worst I've seen, but would another meter really have hurt him?

Arent recumbents no wider than the person riding it? This is an average sized one no? Your drawing looks way to big?!?!

 

[Mark T]

Or has he realised cycling round provoking people then filming their reactions then filming their reactions is not a good use of spare time

Can we drop this crap about BM 'provoking' the reaction he got from this Subaru driver?

Seriously. The only reason this is even in the public domain is because of his crap driving and ridiculous behaviour.

 

[blazed]

This is more accurate.

LOADSSSA ROOM!

 

[fossyant]

Seems the police aren't happy......

Quote BM...........

Just had a call back from Bromley, it looks like they will consider an £80 FPN. I reckon I'm pretty happy with that. I have to take the video in to them tomorrow or Wednesday, they can't view youtube as it's blocked by the IT dept