BentMikey and a Subaru Driver

[f1_fan]

Why shouldn't he go to the Police if people act dangerously to the extent he is concerned about his welfare on the road? That's kinda what the traffic cops are there for...

Yes OK, but judging by his video collection I think he has a rather exagerated opinion of what is unacceptable on the road - maybe when he finds the cops don't take any action he should maybe ask himself why or no doubt that is because they are all cyclist hating fascists

 

[PBancroft]

LOL, no way did I mean I am going to give him a good kicking, but you know that of course and are just looking for a rise

Look I won't even get involved verbally mate, road rage is just not worth it. I have made mistakes when driving and I have apologised when required. If someone does the same to me I just try and let it pass without so much as a gesticulation as really what is the point? Just get on with life.

What I mean is that someone rightly or wrongly is going to take offence at the camera being pointed at them and the 'this is going to the police/on You Tube' stuff he spouts and take the matter into their own hands. Yes they will be in the wrong, but that does not stop Mikey getting assaulted and at least part of that will be down to his overly antagonistic actions.

Actually - I wasn't looking for a rise. I don't know you from Adam and some of the posts on this thread have been somewhat borderline on both sides - claiming stuff is illegal when it isn't, or saying that someone is going to get a good kicking. I simply found it an interesting choice of words.

Can I ask if you have a horn in your car? Have you ever used it? Because ultimately thats what BM did - used his horn to warn another road user of his presence.

Did that condone the car driver getting out of his vehicle, swearing at him, calling him a "bitch" and telling him to "f*** off"?

The camera didn't come into the question until after that point. Using that as a reason for the aggressive attitude of the driver is ridiculous. Maybe BM shouldn't have mentioned its presence at all - but that in no way condones or explains the behaviour of the motorist in this instance.

 

[f1_fan]

if the incident isn't 'really bad' what's the problem? And he doesn't stick the camera in his face - it's running continually on the front of the bike. Your friend Dan jumped out of the car and made a point of putting his face in the shot.

In the video with the guy on the phone he sticks the camera virtually through the guy's window. That is the video I am talking about as I clearly state in my post.

As for 'my friend Dan' I have said all along the Subaru driver is a complete idiot, but you know that and are just looking for a rise out of me.

 

[magnatom]

Well being as I do not swallow the being on the phone thing as being anywhere near as bad as drink driving I can't answer your question. Statistics on the subject are all bollocks anyway as the government will massage them to suit their own agenda. Road deaths have not dramatically decreased since talking on the phone was outlawed - end of argument really, but that's for another thread.

Bear in mind the video I am referring was in stationery traffic so really what harm was the van driver doing? Yes he was technically breaking the law, but I wouldn't be shoving a camera in his face and remonstrating with him over it. As I said have a polite word if you feel that strongly, often the more friendly and less antagonsitic approach will yield more results not that Mikey will ever understand that I suspect.

BM has in fact handed in chocholates to a bus depot to say thanks for the good driving he had seen from the companies bus drivers. It seems He does understand less antagonistic approaches. ..

 

[PBancroft]

In the video with the guy on the phone he sticks the camera virtually through the guy's window. That is the video I am talking about as I clearly state in my post.

As for 'my friend Dan' I have said all along the Subaru driver is a complete idiot, but you know that and are just looking for a rise out of me.

Yes, yes he is an idiot. A dangerous one.

Have you linked to the video you refer to?

 

[f1_fan]

Actually - I wasn't looking for a rise. I don't know you from Adam and some of the posts on this thread have been somewhat borderline on both sides - claiming stuff is illegal when it isn't, or saying that someone is going to get a good kicking. I simply found it an interesting choice of words.

Can I ask if you have a horn in your car? Have you ever used it? Because ultimately thats what BM did - used his horn to warn another road user of his presence.

Did that condone the car driver getting out of his vehicle, swearing at him, calling him a "bitch" and telling him to "f*** off"?

The camera didn't come into the question until after that point. Using that as a reason for the aggressive attitude of the driver is ridiculous. Maybe BM shouldn't have mentioned its presence at all - but that in no way condones or explains the behaviour of the motorist in this instance.

Agreed re the Subaru incident, I am referring more to some of the other videos he has posted on You Tube and particularly one where he ticks off the guy about being on the phone.

That is where he is videoing him through the window and the guy takes umbrage at the situation and gets out of the van whereupon the video mysteriously stops and Mikey tells us nothing more happened in the comments. If it didn't he is lucky as one day someone will get nasty with him. Yes they will be in the wrong, but then again if Mikey approached these aituations less confrontationally I can't help but think he would get a better reaction.

Anyway I can see I am in a minority over here and if this thread has taught me one thing it is to give cyclists an even wider berth as the last thing I want is a confrontation with one of you camera wielding confrontational types

 

[andrew-the-tortoise]

I use a small VGA helmet cam on my commute [which on the whole is quite event free].
I see it more as a 'black box recorder' if anything nasty should happen.

Don't have a Youtube account, don't upload anything but would have probably informed the police if an event as depicted in the OP occurred.

Would the roads be safer if all vehicles has built in cameras? Don't know - but I would only object to being filmed if I was doing something I shouldn't.

 

[marinyork]

Yes OK, but judging by his video collection I think he has a rather exagerated opinion of what is unacceptable on the road - maybe when he finds the cops don't take any action he should maybe ask himself why or no doubt that is because they are all cyclist hating fascists

People were commenting on this particular video. It is much worse than some other of bentmikey's other videos - the saturated road, the obstructions, the poor overtake, parking car in a dangerous position, aggressive behaviour by the subaru driver and then reversing to threaten the recumbent rider.

The issue isn't the camera in this particular video, it is that the driver got rumbled for not only very poor driving but threatening and aggressive behaviour on top of that.

 

[f1_fan]

Slightly OT (cos this is getting out of hand)... what do the Scooby lads think of the new model - - now a small hatchback - something's gone wrong there hasn't it......

It's pants, but shhhhh as some of them over there like it

 

[f1_fan]

Yes, yes he is an idiot. A dangerous one.

Have you linked to the video you refer to?

Sorry as I never bookmarked it and really watching it once was enough Its in his list of videos if you can be bothered.

 

[f1_fan]

People were commenting on this particular video. It is much worse than some other of bentmikey's other videos - the saturated road, the obstructions, the poor overtake, parking car in a dangerous position, aggressive behaviour by the subaru driver and then reversing to threaten the recumbent rider.

The issue isn't the camera in this particular video, it is that the driver got rumbled for not only very poor driving but threatening and aggressive behaviour on top of that.

As I said agreed re. the particular video in the OP. Still think Mikey's 'this will be on You Tube' stuff is not a clever thing to say to someone who has just demonstrated once that he is a moron and may therefore do it again!

Anyway I have to go out now and find some cylcists to hassle (just kidding), but thanks for the debate so far. I hope that even though I drive a Scoob you will realise that I can have a reasoned debate and that I and others aren't like the dick in the video here. It ain't the car, it's the person.

 

[PBancroft]

Sorry as I never bookmarked it and really watching it once was enough Its in his list of videos if you can be bothered.

If you mean this one - there are two interesting things about this video.

Firstly, notice the cyclist who jumps the red lights. We don't all claim to be saints, and the benefit of the camera is that it catches our actions too.

Secondly, the guy is having a telephone conversation sat at traffic lights, not stuck in traffic. The traffic will pull away after a few moments and unless the conversation was remarkably short he will still be on the phone. That's really not very safe or professional. Now, personally I wouldn't have either filmed it or stuck it on YouTube - but if it makes the van driver think twice in future, who cares?

And finally - how are you imagining he is sticking a camera in his face? I do wonder if the guy even realised a camera was there. It's just a little cylinder attached to his helmet.

 

[PBancroft]

Anyway I have to go out now and find some cylcists to hassle (just kidding), but thanks for the debate so far. I hope that even though I drive a Scoob you will realise that I can have a reasoned debate and that I and others aren't like the dick in the video here. It ain't the car, it's the person.

It's not the bike, its the person too.

 

[thomas]

As I said agreed re. the particular video in the OP. Still think Mikey's 'this will be on You Tube' stuff is not a clever thing to say to someone who has just demonstrated once that he is a moron and may therefore do it again!

I'll agree that saying "this will be on youtube" is a little pointless. I've got a helmet camera, so you could throw me in the same boat as Mikey. I feel the youtube line kind of devalues any problems as it isn't really that threatening.

I would at times point to the camera...such as if there was someone really tailgating and ready to creep past where they shouldn't, just so they know they're on film. I know that this has probably stopped people trying to get past at any cost. This wouldn't be done to antagonise, it'd be just a quick point...or at times I might just "rearrange" it it make it obvious, without specifically showing it.

Now, here's a video of mine where I honk and yell. The reason I did both was just shock. I didn't expect this at all and it was just my reaction. Up a hill with a blind corner and with oncoming traffic. Even if I was right in the gutter there should not be enough room to overtake:


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6eU4pk0pgw


Now. Just like in Mickey's case the driver could of stopped and called me a bitch. He didn't and when I showed the taxi company the footage the driver said he misjudged the gap and apologised for it. Can't really ask for more! People make mistakes.

 

[blazed]

If you mean this one - there are two interesting things about this video.

Firstly, notice the cyclist who jumps the red lights. We don't all claim to be saints, and the benefit of the camera is that it catches our actions too.

Secondly, the guy is having a telephone conversation sat at traffic lights, not stuck in traffic. The traffic will pull away after a few moments and unless the conversation was remarkably short he will still be on the phone. That's really not very safe or professional. Now, personally I wouldn't have either filmed it or stuck it on YouTube - but if it makes the van driver think twice in future, who cares?

And finally - how are you imagining he is sticking a camera in his face? I do wonder if the guy even realised a camera was there. It's just a little cylinder attached to his helmet.

Old helmet camera dweeb gets all irate but the lorry driver didnt even do anything wrong in that video.