BentMikey and a Subaru Driver

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Steve Austin

The Marmalade Kid
Location
Mlehworld
f1_fan said:
Yes it is, but the 'offences' on some of Mikey Boy's vids on You Tube are not worth a comment let alone the trouble of uploading them to You Tube for pity's sake.

I would agree with that

I cycle daily, and experience daily 'bad' driving, but it hardly warrants posting on the internet.

this discussion isn't about bad drivers, its about the bad* drivers in the video clips


*so subjective i can't even think how to classify it
 
maggers said:
I challenge anyone to suggest that I am skillful enough to get away with cycling to cause incidents! :sad:


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Steve Austin said:
I would agree with that

I cycle daily, and experience daily 'bad' driving, but it hardly warrants posting on the internet.

this discussion isn't about bad drivers, its about the bad* drivers in the video clips


*so subjective i can't even think how to classify it

The problem is, that nearly everyone drives a car, and so understands the drivers perspective. However, how many drivers understand the cyclists perspective? Not many. So by posting incidents, sometimes relatively trivial, it is possible for others to look at the roads from a cyclists point of view.
 
Hang on mags I may not have kids and have no plans to have any in the future but I still want to get to work without a life threatening incident.
 

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
hackbike 666 said:
Hang on mags I may not have kids and have no plans to have any in the future but I still want to get to work without a life threatening incident.

I think he was just making a point for why cyclingmikey would want to cycle safely, without going out to cause problems.
 

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
Well, as someone who's had the pleasure of cycling with BentMikey, I'd say that he was as safe and as prudent a cyclist as any I've known.

He's also distressingly fast, but age will slow him down.........
 

f1_fan

New Member
thomas said:
I think he was just making a point for why cyclingmikey would want to cycle safely, without going out to cause problems.

But videoing people, sounding loud airhorns at them and then telling them that 'this or that' incident will be on You Tube and/or the police will be informed is far more likley to cause problems than just having a polite word. Surely people here can see that.

Some drivers are idiots, we all know that, so politely tell them if you must or just let it go as life is too short.

I watched some of the other videos on You Tube and there is one where he films a guy on the phone in a van (in stationery traffic), he points the camera right at him so much so that the guy is looking at him, then gets off the phone and gets out of the van where the video conveniently cuts with Mikey saying nothing further happened in the text comments below. Well if nothing did happen one day it will and as much as these people may be in the worng having someone filming them and gobbing off is only going to end up one way as like it or not it is antagonistic.
 

GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
Just come back from a collage bar so pardon me if I get a little way ward. Firstly, I think us cycling enthusiasts have to take note of something that came up earlier, as cycling enthusiasts we see a difference between a "person on a bike" & a cyclist, most motorists don't. Most people I (we, see below about "we") consider cyclists have lights, ware some sort of high-viz clothing ad-hear to the rules of the road, notably don't usually JRL (more on this latter), most of the time & find that using cycle paths is one of the most dangerous things you can do due to peds.

Had a discussion about this with a load of Maths/Physics PhD students & post-docs, these guys are intelligent, level headed & analytical by nature so great to bounce ideas around with, too boot they were all rowers &/or cyclists (the "we" mentioned above).

First thing we noticed is that almost all our incidents were when riding around urban areas even though most of our cycling miles was done outside urban zones. Then we all got down to the idea that a big part of the problem with car drivers is their version of adequate space is radically different from ours, simply put we worked out the minimum safe distance a car should be leaving a cyclist between any nearside obstruction & the nearside of their car is around 1.75m, this is actually quite a lot of road if you think about it.

The next thing we noticed is that when people were travelling slowly they had almost no incidents, the problem was when you get much over 13mph & gets to be a real problem once above 18mph, so one has to say that:
1) Car drivers simply aren't judging cyclists speed properly
2) As a cyclist you're going to be hyped up physically so more aggressive
We also think when drivers get into slower more restricted road conditions they start to get impatient, as you get more impatient you get less tolerant, so things like a cyclist being a cars door width away from parked cars (note: that 1.75m minimum now doesn't actually seem excessive) & staying behind a cyclist at a traffic flow obstruction "calming" pinch points become a real annoyance.

We all agreed with the best intentions in the world we've all JRLed when riding hot as the so called intelligent lights which pick up a cyclist doing 20~25mph & phase to red at just the time you reach the lights because some idiot at the council hasn't worked out that faster cyclists tend to operate in the 20~25mph area. We also agreed that there are 2 lights which a cyclist HAS to JRL if we don't have a car or second cyclist pull up as a lone cyclist isn't heavy enough to trigger the sensors.

On a personal note today I got a middle-aged woman shout at me from her 4x4 "Bike hooligan! Don't be lazy & sit there with your brakes on"... :smile:... sorry WTF?! I have a rear light on because I want to be seen.. k, thanks. Obviously has a bee in her bonnet about that & completely oblivious to the fact most bikes don't have brake lights.
 

f1_fan

New Member
magnatom said:
The problem is, that nearly everyone drives a car, and so understands the drivers perspective. However, how many drivers understand the cyclists perspective? Not many. So by posting incidents, sometimes relatively trivial, it is possible for others to look at the roads from a cyclists point of view.

Couldn't agree more, but Mikey isn't just doing that is he? He is threatening these people with You Tube and/or the police and in some cases it would seem actually going to the police.

So while the notion he might want to educate us lowly car drivers about what it is like to ride a bike on the roads is a noble one it is also complete crap.
 
GrasB said:
Just come back from a collage bar so pardon me if I get a little way ward.

Stay away from that Hoegarden - its loony juice!

GrasB said:
We also think when drivers get into slower more restricted road conditions they start to get impatient, as you get more impatient you get less tolerant, so things like a cyclist being a cars door width away from parked cars (note: that 1.75m minimum now doesn't actually seem excessive)

More seriously, this pees some motorists off. Quote from missus "why do you need 2m room when a car overtakes but only a whisker when you overtake queuing traffic?"

If you think about speed differentials; 15mph when a car overtakes me (35 vs 20) and 20mph when I overtake them (20 vs nil). She does have a bit of point.
 
cheadle hulme said:
If you think about speed differentials; 15mph when a car overtakes me (35 vs 20) and 20mph when I overtake them (20 vs nil). She does have a bit of point.

Aah, but if you fall off because of a car door opening, then that is bike height plus rider height (2m-ish) into the flow of traffic.

If you are filtering, then a car door opening on the driver side is hardly likey is it.
 

GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
cheadle hulme said:
More seriously, this pees some motorists off. Quote from missus "why do you need 2m room when a car overtakes but only a whisker when you overtake queuing traffic?"

If you think about speed differentials; 15mph when a car overtakes me (35 vs 20) and 20mph when I overtake them (20 vs nil). She does have a bit of point.
Personally I never overtake in a situation that I'm not comfortable being overtaken in, that applies to driving a car or bike. If that means coming to a halt in a cycle lane I damn well will. I overtake on the right hand side of the road I'm out a fair way over into the oncoming traffic if I'm going any speed else I'm going past at walking pace & if a car was that close at that speed I don't mind.

That said if I am a decent distance out from a row of parked cars or on a narrow road & I not going to quickly I will pull into an empty space when it's available & often even stop to let cars through. You'll be amazed at how many people give you a nod or a hand up in thanks.
 

Radius

SHREDDER
Location
London
f1_fan said:
Some drivers are idiots, we all know that, so politely tell them if you must or just let it go as life is too short.

And some people's lives will be a hell of a lot shorter because of them. I'm not a fan of the filming / witch hunting thing, but sometimes reporting a driver doing something really bad is probably a good idea, since if they get a string of people doing so, said driver may well be reprimanded.
 
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