Benefits of wearing a helmet

[Mad at urage]

you working very hard to get me to stop wearing a helmet? if this isnt your intention what are you trying to prove exactly?

I'm not working to get you to do anything, I've read several threads where you throw this accusation out at all and sundry though. Ever thought of talking to a psychiatrist about your persecution complex?

 

[david k]

I'm not working to get you to do anything, I've read several threads where you throw this accusation out at all and sundry though. Ever thought of talking to a psychiatrist about your persecution complex?

oh i must have read it worng , i i thought you were trying to convince me that wearing a helmet was not benficial, if you are not doing that fine, i apologise

 

[mickle]

oh i must have read it worng , i i thought you were trying to convince me that wearing a helmet was not benficial, if you are not doing that fine, i apologise

From this we can assume that you're unfamiliar with the concept of risk compensation?

 

[david k]

From this we can assume that you're unfamiliar with the concept of risk compensation?

been down this road many times, redlight confirmed that the outcome is insignificant. I am skeptical over the research. Also, when considering my own benefits of wearing a helmet risk compensation makes an assumption i will take more risks, as i know i wont the wearing of a helmet is of benefit imho.

It was established that if risk compensation was such an issue then people should be discouraged from wearing helmets. Since it was generally agreed the risk was nominal there is no need to consider it.

However, if you feel the issue is bigger than previously considered I am all ears

 

[Bicycle]

Many (not all) who are passionate about the benefit or otherwise of helmets seem to have no concept of how their use of language makes them appear to others.

They often come across as an uncomfortable melange of John Major at his dullest, Gordon Brown at his most sanctimonious and a small child with fingers jammed in ears yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear you!"

Add to that heady sauce a bizarre delusion of complete ownership of truth & judgement...

Then season with an evangelical zeal to share this world-changeing lucidity with anyone who'll read it...

It is bizarre, but addictive.

Please don't stop! Now that TYT have gone off Sarah Palin, I'm running out of good entertainment.

 

[mickle]

been down this road many times, redlight confirmed that the outcome is insignificant. I am skeptical over the research. Also, when considering my own benefits of wearing a helmet risk compensation makes an assumption i will take more risks, as i know i wont the wearing of a helmet is of benefit imho.

It was established that if risk compensation was such an issue then people should be discouraged from wearing helmets. Since it was generally agreed the risk was nominal there is no need to consider it.

However, if you feel the issue is bigger than previously considered I am all ears

Ok, imagine you go on a nice long bike ride to a cafe and a bad man nicks your helmet whilst you are ordering your tea, do you.

a) Walk the bike twenty miles home?
b) Call a taxi?
c) Pedal home but ride more cautiously?
d) Pedal home but ride on the pavement?

 

[david k]

Many (not all) who are passionate about the benefit or otherwise of helmets seem to have no concept of how their use of language makes them appear to others.

They often come across as an uncomfortable melange of John Major at his dullest, Gordon Brown at his most sanctimonious and a small child with fingers jammed in ears yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear you!"

Add to that heady sauce a bizarre delusion of complete ownership of truth & judgement...

Then season with an evangelical zeal to share this world-changeing lucidity with anyone who'll read it...

It is bizarre, but addictive.

Please don't stop! Now that TYT have gone off Sarah Palin, I'm running out of good entertainment.

Is this only people who see the benefits of helmets or is this aimed at those who wish to argue their case that there is no benefit?

 

[Bicycle]

Is this only people who see the benefits of helmets or is this aimed at those who wish to argue their case that there is no benefit?

I think your answer is in the first paragraph of my post.

 

[Red Light]

how do you know whether there has been an increase in cycling or not when looking at said data?

Why don't you try and work it out for yourself?

 

[david k]

wasnt sure what you meant by 'others' i am now presuming you are talking about all, therefore not making presumptions either way

 

[Red Light]

my decisions are based on balance and probability, increased probability and potential harm leads me to consider a helmet beneficial when cycling. As the balance is less when walking i dont

do you mind my decision

Over a lifetime you are far more likely to hit your head walking than cycling.. Its usual to protect yourself against the more frequent events, not the less frequent ones. But no, I don't mind your decision, I'm just curious as to how your mind rationalises the irrational.

 

[david k]

Over a lifetime you are far more likely to hit your head walking than cycling.. Its usual to protect yourself against the more frequent events, not the less frequent ones. But no, I don't mind your decision, I'm just curious as to how your mind rationalises the irrational.

many people wear helmets when cycling, i dont recall ever seeing anyone wear a cycle helmet when walking, are we all irrational? I guess there are people on here who wear helmets when cycling but not when walking, you have called a lot of people irrational. Surely if this is as bad as you state we must all start wearing helmets when walking, are you also on walking sites pleading with people to wear them?

 

[Red Light]

many people wear helmets when cycling, i dont recall ever seeing anyone wear a cycle helmet when walking, are we all irrational? I guess there are people on here who wear helmets when cycling but not when walking, you have called a lot of people irrational. Surely if this is as bad as you state we must all start wearing helmets when walking, are you also on walking sites pleading with people to wear them?

This memory problem of yours really is fascinating. Is it only the short term memory that is missing or do you have problems with long term memory as well?

Since you've clearly forgotten, I don't wear a helmet so it not at all irrational for me to not wear one walking. It would be irrational for me to be pleading with people on walking sites to wear them as I don't believe they are needed in walking or cycling. Quite why you think I would is beyond me but your mind works in strange ways.

Its also not irrational to wear one if you don't know about the relative dangers of walking and cycling. But you my friend do know about them unless you've forgotten what you wrote in the last few hours and so it is irrational for you to believe that they are worth wearing cycling to avoid the pain of a bang on the head cycling but not worth wearing to avoid a bang on the head walking.

But don't worry about it, you will have forgotten it all in the next hour.

 

[david k]

You have a strange way of explaining yourself, you said i said confusing repetition.

Facts remain the same, if i go out for an hour I am 4 times more likely to have an accident cycling than walking (based on your data and presuming it to be true) I also cycle faster than I walk, therefore its totally rational to take additional precautions cycling than walking.

You may continue tying yourself in knots trying to unpick that, as I fear this is too simplistic for you

 

[mickle]

David k would you be kind enough to answer or aknowledge the question I posed at #411