Are we being forced to go electric?

[Alex321]

What's the throughput of a petrol pump - how many vehicles per hour? - and a Motorway Services charger per hour? Won't we need many more chargers than we have pumps as each is occupied for much longer when EVs form a significant percentage of vehicles? Maybe larger facilities too given the increased time spent by coffee drinking drivers?

We will need many more chargers than current fuel pumps, but they will mainly just be set up where there is already car parking, so will take up little additional space.

And it shouldn't mean much more "additional coffee drinking". All the safety organisations reckon you should stop for a break at least once every 2 - 2.5 hours, and EVs can run much longer than that.

 

[CXRAndy]

I don't think the chargers need to be as common. Because most will start their journey fully charged from the night before No topping up to begin your journey.

 

[youngoldbloke]

And it shouldn't mean much more "additional coffee drinking". All the safety organisations reckon you should stop for a break at least once every 2 - 2.5 hours, and EVs can run much longer than that.

Yes, that's been mentioned before. However - there are often two drivers, stop for a toilet break at the services, swap drivers and continue. Usually the way we'd do it. Motorway services on a busy summer Saturday are not places we want to spend much time.

 

[Gunk]

I don't think the chargers need to be as common. Because most will start their journey fully charged from the night before No topping up to begin your journey.

Battery technology is improving all the time, once they hit a 500 mile range there won’t be a need for a huge fast charge infrastructure

 

[Drago]

But then why would the average person want to buy or lug around 500 miles worth of u wanted batteries? That's simply wasteful of both cash and finite resources.

 

[Milzy]

There is, alas, insufficient land in the world to mitigate emissions through tree planting.

When food is made in labs/factories and all the farming land isn’t needed they could plant trees in the fields.

 

[Jameshow]

Lots of small clusters of EV points will be part of the future.

The company which owns the 'mega EV station' has ambitions to open more, so presumably there's money in it.


As are power stations.

The electricity to power all those charging points has to come from somewhere.

'Oil refineries are big' really isn't your best point.

As are wind farms on open moor land and solar farms on agricultural land!

 

[Gillstay]

But we can do something, this Autumn we will start planting 60 trees and nearly 4000 hedgerow plants

Yep, I am on to it as well. Must atleast try.

 

[Gillstay]

To put this in perspective - Well over a million trees in Northumberland and at least eight million in Scotland were destroyed in one night by Storm Arwen. We've got along way to go to even get back to where we were.
- but it all helps!

Yes but that carbon is still locked up in the timber and many of those trees will recover or coppice.

 

[Jenkins]

But we can do something, this Autumn we will start planting 60 trees and nearly 4000 hedgerow plants

And in a couple of years cut them down and sell them to Drax power station who will classify it as renewable energy & claim green tax subsidies

 

[Drago]

Whereupon you'll be only too happy to use their electricity.

 

[cougie uk]

Battery technology is improving all the time, once they hit a 500 mile range there won’t be a need for a huge fast charge infrastructure

You're still thinking old school.
Very very few people would need to drive 500 miles non stop.

My car range is probably 145 tops.

I charge away from home maybe 4 times a year?

Seems a waste to have a battery that size for most people.

 

[cougie uk]

And in a couple of years cut them down and sell them to Drax power station who will classify it as renewable energy & claim green tax subsidies

But it is renewable energy?

And the trees grow and capture carbon and then that's released when the tree is burnt.

So it's not actually adding any co2 to the atmosphere?

Whereas fossil fuels will be as that carbon was captured thousands of years ago ?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Jenkins]

But it is renewable energy?

And the trees grow and capture carbon and then that's released when the tree is burnt.

So it's not actually adding any co2 to the atmosphere?

Whereas fossil fuels will be as that carbon was captured thousands of years ago ?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

There's been a lot of coverage in Private Eye, but a quick look for other sources gives...

https://news.sky.com/story/climate-...-biggest-co2-emitter-analysis-claims-12428130

 

[cougie uk]

There's been a lot of coverage in Private Eye, but a quick look for other sources gives...

https://news.sky.com/story/climate-...-biggest-co2-emitter-analysis-claims-12428130

Thanks for that. I think I need Attenborough to adjudicate on this.