Are we being forced to go electric?

[Milzy]

Looks good for Tesla there’s many in the country done over 200,000 miles already. Some folks can’t afford them and end up with the budget EV’s I doubt they’ll get the same battery performance as Musks babies.

 

[Drago]

Once nice thing about the Mini I discovered when I bought it. The battery is modular and can be stripped at any approved "high voltage" BMW dealer (ie, practically all of them), and faulty banks of cells or even individual cells can be identified and replaced, so some of the less expensive offerings may actually be superior in the long term, particularly if problems are encountered and require rectification.

Not so the Tesla, which is further complicated by the battery being a structural member and being bolted and bonded to the car, making replacement a combined high voltage and bodyshop job to do properly. They can be taken apart and fannied with, but they're not designed as such and its a specialist niche undertaking, not something Tesla service centres will do.

That said, as aforementioned, knackeredness (new word, (c) Drago Enterprises 2023) is very rare which still makes them a fairly safe long term proposition in that regard.

No, it wasn't the Tesla battery that made us hesitate and err towards the Pornstar.

 

[classic33]

Here you go:-

https://www.newsweek.com/alef-flying-car-prototype-sales-surge-california-1815951

Still waiting, first ones not expected to ship until 2025.

 

[Drago]

Still waiting, first ones not expected to ship until 2025.

Just over a year. It'll fly by!

 

[Jameshow]

Once nice thing about the Mini I discovered when I bought it. The battery is modular and can be stripped at any approved "high voltage" BMW dealer (ie, practically all of them), and faulty banks of cells or even individual cells can be identified and replaced, so some of the less expensive offerings may actually be superior in the long term, particularly if problems are encountered and require rectification.

Not so the Tesla, which is further complicated by the battery being a structural member and being bolted and bonded to the car, making replacement a combined high voltage and bodyshop job to do properly. They can be taken apart and fannied with, but they're not designed as such and its a specialist niche undertaking, not something Tesla service centres will do.

That said, as aforementioned, knackeredness (new word, (c) Drago Enterprises 2023) is very rare which still makes them a fairly safe long term proposition in that regard.

No, it wasn't the Tesla battery that made us hesitate and err towards the Pornstar.

I don't think that's true, a video popped up the other day about a garage taking the off the tub of Tesla batteries replacing cells sealing with polymer sealant and pressure testing it..

 

[Drago]

I don't think that's true, a video popped up the other day about a garage taking the off the tub of Tesla batteries replacing cells sealing with polymer sealant and pressure testing it..

Yes, but they're not designed to do that - thats a bodgetastic effort by independent, non factory spanner jockeys. Read the second half of my second paragraph again.

Because they're structural the car needs bracing to maintain perfect alignment when such a major member (snigger) removed, and while the batteries can be dismantled they're not designed to be and its a specialist undertaking and not something an approved service centre will do or is even equipped to do.

 

[icowden]

Not so the Tesla, which is further complicated by the battery being a structural member and being bolted and bonded to the car, making replacement a combined high voltage and bodyshop job to do properly.

This is actually one of the issues with Tesla. Because it was designed from the ground up without any recourse to conventional car building, Musk went for economy in construction without considering the impact for the buyer.

Or in other words, if someone drives in to the back of your Tesla Y and dents it (quite likely because the car body sticks out more than the bumper), unlike conventional ICE manufactures, you can't just take off the dented panel or bumper and replace it. Instead there is a whole complex all in one piece of body work that has to be removed. That's one reason why Tesla is in insurance group 50 rather say 30- to 35 (where the ID4 is).

 

[Jameshow]

Yes, but they're not designed to do that - thats a bodgetastic effort by independent, non factory spanner jockeys. Read the second half of my second paragraph again.

Because they're structural the car needs bracing to maintain perfect alignment when such a major member (snigger) removed, and while the batteries can be dismantled they're not designed to be and its a specialist undertaking and not something an approved service centre will do or is even equipped to do.

Fair enough...

 

[cougie uk]

Why don’t they push for planting more trees then? ICE sales are doing well and I can’t see us been forced to go electric at all.

Manufacturers plan well ahead. Supply chains can't u turn quickly.
It is going to happen.

 

[CXRAndy]

Why don’t they push for planting more trees then? ICE sales are doing well and I can’t see us been forced to go electric at all.

Petrol are doing ok, for now. Diesel is continuing to decline year on year down nearly -19%

June saw the Model Y top UK sales and all of Europe too.

YTD model Y is 4th but only just to ford Puma, Corsa, Qashqia. If current trends continue, BEV will lead the way in sales by next year.

 

[Gunk]

Diesel is continuing to decline year on year down nearly -19%

Love a Diesel, I was converted back in 1996 when I had a new 325tds Touring as a company car, I immediately fell in love with the low down torque and laziness of a big capacity, powerful Diesel and have had them ever since.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Love a Diesel, I was converted back in 1996 when I had a new 325tds Touring as a company car, I immediately fell in love with the low down torque and laziness of a big capacity, powerful Diesel and have had them ever since.

Only got into diesel for towing caravans . However van now gone. So open to something else not diesel. Mate at work is chopping in his hybrid Toyota for a 3yr old Tesla with 48k miles. Seems to be coming in under 30k for those whom maybe fancy one . Still determined to hang on for as long as I can for the market to mature.

 

[youngoldbloke]

Radio 4 Today 8.10am. Discussion mostly about the inability of the National Grid to supply power to the existing network of motorway chargers, and future implications. Interview with the CEO of MOTO, then with Richard Holden, Transport Minister, who didn't seem to understand the issue.

 

[Gunk]

Radio 4 Today 8.10am. Discussion mostly about the inability of the National Grid to supply power to the existing network of motorway chargers, and future implications. Interview with the CEO of MOTO, then with Richard Holden, Transport Minister, who didn't seem to understand the issue.

I heard this story a while ago about power to MW services. It’s a big issue

 

[Buck]

That's a great example where there needs to be investment in the infrastructure akin to the Tesla supercharger network to make sure there is enough capability to provide the right number of chargers for the demand now and in 5 years and beyond.

If the government of the day is serious about net zero etc. then they should be mandating such investment now as it will take a number fo years to come to fruition