Ah OK. That's fair enough. As we have said, battery tech at the moment is still in its infancy. I have no doubt that it will improve significantly. For example the battery in an ID4 is about 630kg. With the new superdense CATL batteries the same 83kw battery would weigh about 170kg. So within a few years we could be looking at longer ranges and much lighter batteries. Which presumably also means the batteries are smaller and easier to swap out / maintain.
Are we being forced to go electric?
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Ah OK. That's fair enough. As we have said, battery tech at the moment is still in its infancy. I have no doubt that it will improve significantly. For example the battery in an ID4 is about 630kg. With the new superdense CATL batteries the same 83kw battery would weigh about 170kg. So within a few years we could be looking at longer ranges and much lighter batteries. Which presumably also means the batteries are smaller and easier to swap out / maintain.
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Thank you, that's what I meant, poor communication on my part.
Partly because of this, I remain sceptical that replacement of the car and truck and bus fleet on a 1:1 basis will be as possible as optimistic projections suggest.
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Equally, battery management is becoming far better understood.
The battery will generally outlast the car these days.
The battery will generally outlast the car these days.
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Using that logic, petrol tech is still in its infancy.
How so? Petrol engines have been refined constantly for over 100 years. Battery EVs not so much. There was that BIIIIIG gap in EV development between about 1920 and 2012...
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Why don’t they push for planting more trees then? ICE sales are doing well and I can’t see us been forced to go electric at all.
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The 2030 sales deadline is written into law. For all sorts of reasons I can't see that changing. Folk will be 'forced' go go battery or else get the bus.
No they won't. They can continue to drive Diesel and Petrol cars. They will just have to be second hand or plug in hybrid until 2035 and then just second hand. Once no new petrol or diesel cars are being sold, you can still drive the second hand ones (as long as it isn't into a ULEZ zone or suchlike), although you may see petrol and diesel costs increase and the availability of petrol stations decrease as demand drops. No-one knows how quickly that will happen.
By 2030 we should see EVs costing similar prices to ICE cars now, as well as increased range and decreased weight.
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To be fair to Tesla - and I'm not a fan for many reasons - even the Daily Mail seem to have conceded their battery alarmism is utter bollards as they have discovered several Teslas still going well with over 300k miles on them.
The car might fly okay sideways but surely the occupants are going to be be pretty uncomfortable.
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Sadly the VTOL Anglia 105e had a nasty habit of rusting so badly while airborne it was dangerous to land again.
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