Are we being forced to go electric?

[vickster]

According to Skoda as an example ... Heating and air conditioning can impact your range by as much as 30%. By reducing or turning them off, you can considerably increase your range.
https://www.skoda.co.uk/electric-hybrid-cars/electric-car-range-explained

I imagine VW are similar being the same manufacturer essentially

If the manufacturer says that's the case, it's probably worse

 

[chris-suffolk]

According to Skoda as an example ... Heating and air conditioning can impact your range by as much as 30%. By reducing or turning them off, you can considerably increase your range.
https://www.skoda.co.uk/electric-hybrid-cars/electric-car-range-explained

I imagine VW are similar being the same manufacturer essentially

So run the AC and put something on the roof, and we could easily see a 50% reduction in range from a typical EV (using the %'s given above). That's not too good then!

 

[Chislenko]

Looks like a van when the time eventually comes for me to change. None of the 'estates' being made now have the height in the boot to accommodate my needs. I have an old style Peugeot 5008 which has the height and depth needed, without lowering the rear seats. Have to wait until a van style EV with reasonable range is available

Am in the same boat (and it's nearly as big as a boat!!) will stick with my C5 estate (Citroen version of your Peugeot) until it dies.

I also understand exactly what shape an estate car should be and the loading ability of a flat square load area, coupled with the adjustable suspension on the Citroen that lets you lower / higher the car for even easier loading.

 

[MrGrumpy]

The second hand EV values seem to have plumeted, given how high they were a few months ago (not looked for a while).

I did read somewhere or hear on the news that second EV prices had plummeted compared to new. Could be several reasons for it, just not ready to go full EV, people holding onto their ICE cars that bit longer !?

 

[CXRAndy]

According to Skoda as an example ... Heating and air conditioning can impact your range by as much as 30%. By reducing or turning them off, you can considerably increase your range.
https://www.skoda.co.uk/electric-hybrid-cars/electric-car-range-explained

I imagine VW are similar being the same manufacturer essentially

If the manufacturer says that's the case, it's probably worse

Is that with the optional heat pump or resistive heater.

Resistive heaters are energy draining, but only 15 miles from 200 range.

Heat pumps are far more efficient

To save energy, I use heated seats and steering wheel, which keeps you very warm. Then again I don't need to worry about range

 

[Rusty Nails]

Although a Tesla Y Long range would probably still be your best option at the moment.

If you are prepared to pay an extra £20k - £30k on the basic Passat, and compromise on range and body shape.

 

[icowden]

According to Skoda as an example ... Heating and air conditioning can impact your range by as much as 30%. By reducing or turning them off, you can considerably increase your range.

And yet the average for EVs is about 15% if the heating is on full blast all the time and 11% for air con. I tend not to have either on full blast at all.

 

[icowden]

I did read somewhere or hear on the news that second EV prices had plummeted compared to new. Could be several reasons for it, just not ready to go full EV, people holding onto their ICE cars that bit longer !?

More ICE cars being produced and bought = more second hand ICE cars.

 

[chris-suffolk]

More ICE cars being produced and bought = more second hand ICE cars.

You'd think that fewer EV's = rarer = prices hold up. That's the normal way market forces work. Unless, of course, the product on offer isn't sought after despite its' rarity value. Hence prices drop to try and boost the market - think Tesla which has dropped prices more than once recently to try and get sales moving again, and yet prices still continue to fall, whist those of secondhand ICE vehicles continue to climb. My daughters' 6 year old Toyota is currently worth more than she paid for it 4 years ago. And she paid the market rate for it then.

 

[fossyant]

Am in the same boat (and it's nearly as big as a boat!!) will stick with my C5 estate (Citroen version of your Peugeot) until it dies.

I also understand exactly what shape an estate car should be and the loading ability of a flat square load area, coupled with the adjustable suspension on the Citroen that lets you lower / higher the car for even easier loading.

The issue is, there aren't that many normal cars, saloons, estates and hatchbacks. Nissan do the Micra and Leaf, everything else is a SUV now. Their medium saloon/estate went about 15 years ago, replaced with the Qashqai, then they tried the Pulsar harch, that didn't sell well.

So, those of us who want a normal car, your choice is very limited, and very few EV's fit that as its not on trend, and why would they make a car people aren't buying.

Must say I've been rather shocked at the EV price falls recently.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Some horrendous drops - it's good News for 'New To You' buyers but will throttle back new car demand; especially as companies that have been buying certain EV's for employees realise the impact on current and potentially forward aquisitions:

 

[Chislenko]

The issue is, there aren't that many normal cars, saloons, estates and hatchbacks.

That is exactly why I will stick with the car I have.

Sunday for example I had to drive down to Buckinghamshire to clear some stuff from a property I am selling.

180 miles there, ten minutes to do the job, 180 miles back. Half a tank of diesel and six hours. So even at really bad diesel prices that is £36 and I haven't had to sit in a motorway service station purchasing over priced coffee whilst my car is charged at overpriced rates.

I really can't see the attraction.

 

[icowden]

180 miles there, ten minutes to do the job, 180 miles back. Half a tank of diesel and six hours. So even at really bad diesel prices that is £36 and I haven't had to sit in a motorway service station purchasing over priced coffee whilst my car is charged at overpriced rates.

It's not compulsory to sit in a service station. There are plenty of charges just off the motorway. Tesla specialise in placing theirs in very nice places indeed.
You should really have made two stops, one on each leg. 180 miles is the best part of a 3 hour drive.

I really can't see the attraction.

Easier to drive, very relaxing, all the power, mod cons, safety features and less stress.

 

[icowden]

The issue is, there aren't that many normal cars, saloons, estates and hatchbacks. Nissan do the Micra and Leaf, everything else is a SUV now.

You need to get out more. Hatchbacks include the VW ID3, the e-Corsa the MG MG4, Renault Zoe, Cupra Born, Citroen e-C4, Ora Funky Cat, Peugeot e208, Fiat 500e, Honda e Advance.

Saloon car you say? Tesla 3, Tesla S, BMW i4, Mercedes EQS 450+, Hyundai IONIQ 6, POlestar 2, VW ID7, Citroen e-C4 X...

The EV database lists 30 hatchbacks, 41 saloons, 14 estate cars, 105 SUVs, 2 convertibles, 2 coupes, and 19 small vans at the time of writing. Some of those are just variants (Audi have about 300 EVs they reckon). Some classifications are questionable. I'm not sure I'd class the Porsche Taycan Turbo Sport as an estate car, and 11 of the "estate cars" currently listed are Porsche Taycan variants.

But there is variety and quite a lot of different Hatchbacks. Lots of SUVs of course because they are extremely popular.

So, those of us who want a normal car, your choice is very limited, and very few EV's fit that as its not on trend, and why would they make a car people aren't buying.

Define normal.

Must say I've been rather shocked at the EV price falls recently.

Why? Increase in EV sales means more EVs on the road means more second hand EVs. Tesla have deliberately crunched the market and driven down prices also. MOre battery factories means that batteries get cheaper etc.

I'd be very surprised if the ID4 remains at £49,000 in 3 years time when my lease is up.

 

[Alex321]

You need to get out more. Hatchbacks include the VW ID3, the e-Corsa the MG MG4, Renault Zoe, Cupra Born, Citroen e-C4, Ora Funky Cat, Peugeot e208, Fiat 500e, Honda e Advance.

Saloon car you say? Tesla 3, Tesla S, BMW i4, Mercedes EQS 450+, Hyundai IONIQ 6, POlestar 2, VW ID7, Citroen e-C4 X...

The EV database lists 30 hatchbacks, 41 saloons, 14 estate cars, 105 SUVs, 2 convertibles, 2 coupes, and 19 small vans at the time of writing. Some of those are just variants (Audi have about 300 EVs they reckon). Some classifications are questionable. I'm not sure I'd class the Porsche Taycan Turbo Sport as an estate car, and 11 of the "estate cars" currently listed are Porsche Taycan variants.

But there is variety and quite a lot of different Hatchbacks. Lots of SUVs of course because they are extremely popular.

More SUV's than the rest put together, and as you say, some of the others stretching the definition of that car type rather.