Are we being forced to go electric?

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classic33

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Question for those that do drive an electric vehicle, and charge from home at present. What will you do if a "charging tariff" were introduced in 2025. Just as VED becomes payable on all powered road vehicles?

Apparently they'll be able to tell when you are charging, and adjust the tariff, for all electric usage, whilst you're charging.
 
Question for those that do drive an electric vehicle, and charge from home at present. What will you do if a "charging tariff" were introduced in 2025. Just as VED becomes payable on all powered road vehicles?

Apparently they'll be able to tell when you are charging, and adjust the tariff, for all electric usage, whilst you're charging.
I would have to pay it.
Running costs are a fraction of ICE. It'd need to be a huuuge tariff to make it cost the same as petrol.

Obviously I prefer to walk, cycle or get the train for the journeys I can so the car is the last resort.
 

CXRAndy

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Question for those that do drive an electric vehicle, and charge from home at present. What will you do if a "charging tariff" were introduced in 2025. Just as VED becomes payable on all powered road vehicles?

Apparently they'll be able to tell when you are charging, and adjust the tariff, for all electric usage, whilst you're charging.

Get solar, lots of it, then you are independent of fantasy tariffs.
 

Alex321

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South Wales
Question for those that do drive an electric vehicle, and charge from home at present. What will you do if a "charging tariff" were introduced in 2025. Just as VED becomes payable on all powered road vehicles?

Apparently they'll be able to tell when you are charging, and adjust the tariff, for all electric usage, whilst you're charging.

Well if and when I get an electric vehicle, I'd like to know how they are going to be able to work out what I am using the electricity from my solar panels/battery for :smile:
 

DRM

Guru
Location
West Yorks
I cannot for the life of me see petrol, diesel and kerosene, and as a by product LPG going anywhere, there are far too many people who will need such fuels well into the future, hospitals, cold stores, data centres have diesel back up generators, as do some large stores, fork trucks, caravan cooking and heating need Propane, the armed forces will still need such fuels for AFV’s, Trucks, aircraft and shipping, plus commercial shipping, and that’s just off the top of my head
 

MrGrumpy

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Fly Fifer
I cannot for the life of me see petrol, diesel and kerosene, and as a by product LPG going anywhere, there are far too many people who will need such fuels well into the future, hospitals, cold stores, data centres have diesel back up generators, as do some large stores, fork trucks, caravan cooking and heating need Propane, the armed forces will still need such fuels for AFV’s, Trucks, aircraft and shipping, plus commercial shipping, and that’s just off the top of my head

Of course it won’t , doomsday folk in here . The Gov just don’t want us driving around burning it ! They better start building those nuclear power stations ! Gonna need those as well !
 
I cannot for the life of me see petrol, diesel and kerosene, and as a by product LPG going anywhere, there are far too many people who will need such fuels well into the future, hospitals, cold stores, data centres have diesel back up generators, as do some large stores, fork trucks, caravan cooking and heating need Propane, the armed forces will still need such fuels for AFV’s, Trucks, aircraft and shipping, plus commercial shipping, and that’s just off the top of my head

Well who would have thought we'd have spent a lot of 2020 in lockdown ?
Things change.

It's 30 degrees out there today. That's not normal for the UK. What does the future hold unless we change our ways ?
 

DRM

Guru
Location
West Yorks
It was 30° in 1976 btw!!

I remember it well, stand pipes on every street.
 

DRM

Guru
Location
West Yorks
Well who would have thought we'd have spent a lot of 2020 in lockdown ?
Things change.

It's 30 degrees out there today. That's not normal for the UK. What does the future hold unless we change our ways ?

Nothing to do with motorists buying EV’s, it’s all about infrastructure that needs back up power, and the defence of the country
 

CXRAndy

Guru
Location
Lincs
I cannot for the life of me see petrol, diesel and kerosene, and as a by product LPG going anywhere, there are far too many people who will need such fuels well into the future, hospitals, cold stores, data centres have diesel back up generators, as do some large stores, fork trucks, caravan cooking and heating need Propane, the armed forces will still need such fuels for AFV’s, Trucks, aircraft and shipping, plus commercial shipping, and that’s just off the top of my head

You're probably right for sometime, but cars are one of the biggest polluters .

'Transport accounts for around 30% of global carbon emissions, and 72% of these emissions come from road transportation – from cars, vans, lorries, buses and other road vehicles.5 Feb 2020'
 

DRM

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West Yorks
You're probably right for sometime, but cars are one of the biggest polluters .

'Transport accounts for around 30% of global carbon emissions, and 72% of these emissions come from road transportation – from cars, vans, lorries, buses and other road vehicles.5 Feb 2020'

I would actually have thought that private cars are a drop in the ocean compared to Aircraft and Shipping, along with everything that’s being burnt, blown up, driven, destroyed etc in Ukraine right now
 

lazybloke

Priest of the cult of Chris Rea
Location
Leafy Surrey
What makes you think I might not have understood or recognised them?
I was replying to your points, but don't know what you personally think - hence I prefixed with "If" as a theoretical viewpoint. If it doesn't apply to you it will apply to some other readers.

When either of our cars next needs replacing, there is a good chance we will get an EV, but that is likely to be a few years yet.
Same here; looking to replace "the family car" in about two years, but the other car doesn't get used much and there's no justification to change it yet. Maybe in a decade if the kids haven't written it off earlier.

It's usually because what they perceive as being a show-stopper is in their heads rather than reality, so we try and help them understand that an EV is not just another car. The way you drive it and fuel it requires a complete change of perspective.
You've appear to have edited out and disregarded the line where I said "Many valid reasons have been given for being anti-EV."

But yes, i take your point there are swivel eyed loons out there, as well as misguided people ; all need advice and information..

For what it's worth you seem to understand the advantages and disadvantages of EVs, and how they might apply (or not) to different people; so your advice to the doubtful (loons or otherwise) is likely useful.
Other EV owners seem unable or at least unwilling to acknowledge downsides; they can stick their advice where the mice won't find it.

Largely due to this thread, I've gone from a mostly anti-EV position to a pro-EV viewpoiny; it's been a fascinating journey.
But the cars still need to improve if more people are to make the switch.


The main limitation for the vast majority of people is cost.
Yes.
I don't know how some folk are surviving the cost of living crisis. Well, clearly some are not.
Rumours this morning of a further base-rate increase, and mortgages following will be terrifying to many. Cars are vital to many, so high prices are a big problem.
That's going to change by about 2032. For example, my daughter will probably want a car. I'm not able to afford a brand new efiat, and like most kids she will start with a second hand car. Looking at Car Giant, the cheapest EV would be £150 a month (it's a 2016 Nissan Leaf) with a good sized deposit whereas a petrol Fiat 500 = £102 a month. An e-Fiat would be around £300 a month with a hefty deposit.
Love the CAr Giant examples, they sound excellent - and thank you for mentioning the deposit. Often deliberately missed out by people wanting to obfuscate actual costs.
 
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