Are we being forced to go electric?

[FishFright]

The 2024 esprinter will purportedly have a range of 300 miles or thereabouts...

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2024-mercedes-benz-esprinter-ev-to-nudge-500km-range

Although I'm sure there will be a builder somewhere moaning that he has a 300 mile journey each way and no charging on site...

And not a single charger on route plus something about not having time to blah blah blah.. you know the usual excuses.

 

[biggs682]

And not a single charger on route plus something about not having time to blah blah blah.. you know the usual excuses.

By the time the tradesmen has had 15 brews ,3 breaks and recharged all the tools it will be time to go and find a charge point and no work completed

 

[DRM]

And not a single charger on route plus something about not having time to blah blah blah.. you know the usual excuses.

While the thing is sat charging, the tradesman is earning nothing, and work isn't getting done, as I said, price of the van aside, for the tradesman who is local, an E-Van will work, especially those who have jobs in city centres with the stop/start traffic, it's those who have to travel long distances to jobs, particularly service engineers whose vans will be loaded to the maximum capacity with tools, parts, & sundries, they will not get anywhere near the claimed range, who the hell wants to sit somewhere for 1 or 2 hours whilst on the way home, yes finish at 17:00, plus 2 hour journey home, and a stop for an 1.5 hours to charge, wow home at 20:30, what a fantastic contraption, and as I keep pointing out, you work out of the van, there's no charger at the goods out end of a warehouse, and if you have say 4 jobs to do in the locality, it will never get charged whilst your working, it's a non starter, literally.

 

[icowden]

While the thing is sat charging, the tradesman is earning nothing, and work isn't getting done

I thought the work was done outside the van. All of the tradesmen I've seen get out and do their trade. It's only the delivery drivers that are in them a lot.

it's those who have to travel long distances to jobs, particularly service engineers whose vans will be loaded to the maximum capacity with tools, parts, & sundries, they will not get anywhere near the claimed range,

How far is your plumber travelling?!!

who the hell wants to sit somewhere for 1 or 2 hours whilst on the way home, yes finish at 17:00, plus 2 hour journey home, and a stop for an 1.5 hours to charge,

Why would you sit there for 90 minutes when most EVs can be charged in 20?

as I keep pointing out, you work out of the van, there's no charger at the goods out end of a warehouse, and if you have say 4 jobs to do in the locality, it will never get charged whilst your working

Even the Shetland islands have electricity. I think you'll find that most places do.

 

[cougie uk]

While the thing is sat charging, the tradesman is earning nothing, and work isn't getting done, as I said, price of the van aside, for the tradesman who is local, an E-Van will work, especially those who have jobs in city centres with the stop/start traffic, it's those who have to travel long distances to jobs, particularly service engineers whose vans will be loaded to the maximum capacity with tools, parts, & sundries, they will not get anywhere near the claimed range, who the hell wants to sit somewhere for 1 or 2 hours whilst on the way home, yes finish at 17:00, plus 2 hour journey home, and a stop for an 1.5 hours to charge, wow home at 20:30, what a fantastic contraption, and as I keep pointing out, you work out of the van, there's no charger at the goods out end of a warehouse, and if you have say 4 jobs to do in the locality, it will never get charged whilst your working, it's a non starter, literally.

All you need is a plug. It's not as tricky as you're making out.

 

[DRM]

I thought the work was done outside the van. All of the tradesmen I've seen get out and do their trade. It's only the delivery drivers that are in them a lot.


How far is your plumber travelling?!!


Why would you sit there for 90 minutes when most EVs can be charged in 20?



Even the Shetland islands have electricity. I think you'll find that most places do.

Go back and re-read what I wrote properly, instead of picking selected points that suit your narrative, you have obviously never worked as a service engineer and have no idea what is involved, EV's are NOT the panacea you think they are for everyone, for some they are hopeless crap.

 

[DRM]

All you need is a plug. It's not as tricky as you're making out.

Again, picking a narrative to suit yourself, extension and 13A socket, or will it have to a 110V setup as insisted on by some sites?
Edit: Risk Assesment, extension lead being a trip hazard? not as tricky as I'm making out is it.

 

[CXRAndy]

While the thing is sat charging, the tradesman is earning nothing, and work isn't getting done, as I said, price of the van aside, for the tradesman who is local, an E-Van will work, especially those who have jobs in city centres with the stop/start traffic, it's those who have to travel long distances to jobs, particularly service engineers whose vans will be loaded to the maximum capacity with tools, parts, & sundries, they will not get anywhere near the claimed range, who the hell wants to sit somewhere for 1 or 2 hours whilst on the way home, yes finish at 17:00, plus 2 hour journey home, and a stop for an 1.5 hours to charge, wow home at 20:30, what a fantastic contraption, and as I keep pointing out, you work out of the van, there's no charger at the goods out end of a warehouse, and if you have say 4 jobs to do in the locality, it will never get charged whilst your working, it's a non starter, literally.

Local tradesmen don't need to charge their vehicle it will have plenty of range. They could even trickle charge when at customers . 8 hrs at 5-6mph so 40+ miles of range and not even left site.

I don't know where you get 1.5 hours to charge idea. 20-30 mins to get upto 80%

 

[CXRAndy]

Renault 5 EV arriving next year. Another compact EV .

I'm interested to see what the baby Tesla will be in the way of features and range

 

[icowden]

Go back and re-read what I wrote properly, instead of picking selected points that suit your narrative, you have obviously never worked as a service engineer and have no idea what is involved, EV's are NOT the panacea you think they are for everyone, for some they are hopeless crap.

All the points were yours and not selected. I addressed them all.
Here is an article about being a field engineer - this chap does 150 miles on a bad day, but presumably stops for lunch:
https://www.ajmhealthcare.com/jobs/day-in-the-life/a-day-in-the-life-of-a-field-service-engineer/#:~:text=I plan my route and,the road until 10.00pm.

This chap has 3 visits, each 16 miles from the office. A maxmium of 96 miles if he goes back to the office between jobs.
https://www.gilkes.com/news-media/working-day-of-a-hydro-service-engineer
Both of these could easily do their jobs in a 2024 esprinter. It would be harder if they used the current esprinter and would require a charge at some point during the day (lunchtime or during site visits).

 

[CXRAndy]

EV's are NOT the panacea you think they are for everyone, for some they are hopeless crap

They do a dam good job for the vast majority of drivers.

Only a tiny percentage have such weird requirements that they're irrelevant to the main thrust of vehicle electrification

 

[FishFright]

While the thing is sat charging, the tradesman is earning nothing, and work isn't getting done, as I said, price of the van aside, for the tradesman who is local, an E-Van will work, especially those who have jobs in city centres with the stop/start traffic, it's those who have to travel long distances to jobs, particularly service engineers whose vans will be loaded to the maximum capacity with tools, parts, & sundries, they will not get anywhere near the claimed range, who the hell wants to sit somewhere for 1 or 2 hours whilst on the way home, yes finish at 17:00, plus 2 hour journey home, and a stop for an 1.5 hours to charge, wow home at 20:30, what a fantastic contraption, and as I keep pointing out, you work out of the van, there's no charger at the goods out end of a warehouse, and if you have say 4 jobs to do in the locality, it will never get charged whilst your working, it's a non starter, literally.

Haven't you read any of this thread regarding charging ? Or are you repeating false information in the vain hope that repetition will make them true ?

 

[cougie uk]

Again, picking a narrative to suit yourself, extension and 13A socket, or will it have to a 110V setup as insisted on by some sites?
Edit: Risk Assesment, extension lead being a trip hazard? not as tricky as I'm making out is it.

Times change and sites will adapt. I'm sure people have the smarts to cope with cables.

 

[youngoldbloke]

They do a dam good job for the vast majority of drivers.

Only a tiny percentage have such weird requirements that they're irrelevant to the main thrust of vehicle electrification

What, like those who need an affordable functional vehicle that will accommodate a wheelchair without having to dismantle it, and wish to make reasonably long journeys without stopping for 20 minutes every hundred miles or so.

 

[FishFright]

What, like those who need an affordable functional vehicle that will accommodate a wheelchair without having to dismantle it, and wish to make reasonably long journeys without stopping for 20 minutes every hundred miles or so.

Electric Berlingo on the way

ETA do you have this on a macro too ? It would save you all that time typing it so you'll be able read about charging and range in this thread .