Gillstay
Veteran
Well if we have excess electricity at night that will be a good way of using it up. Excellent, that's good news then.
Are we being forced to go electric?
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Well if we have excess electricity at night that will be a good way of using it up. Excellent, that's good news then.
Alex321
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I don't quite understand why Germany particularly wanted this change to the legislation.
There are no vehicles yet commercially available that run on this so-called e-fuel, so their manufacturers will still have to change their production processes, and it will also require production plants, and wide enough distribution of the new fuel to make people willing to buy those new vehicles.
I really can't see this exemption making any significant difference because I really can't see the population buying them in large enough numbers.
figbat
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Electrofuel ("e-fuel") is a 'drop-in' fuel - in other words it can be used in place of conventional fuels. There's little special about it other than its origins - the end result is a volatile hydrocarbon that burns like any other and can be used in conventional ICE. There may be a need to manage things like octane or cetane ratings and tune engines to make the most of them, but this is details. You could drop an e-fuel into a 30 year old banger and it would run OK (in other words, polluting as it goes).
Alex321
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Ok.
The article I was reading seemed to suggest that existing vehicles wouldn't run on them.
And from another article, it seems the exemption will be only for vehicles that run exclusively on e-fuels. Any that can also run on existing fossil fuels will not be permitted.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/business/eu-allows-e-fuel-exemption-2035-combustion-engine-ban
https://www.reuters.com/business/au...e-2035-phaseout-co2-emitting-cars-2023-03-28/
"The Commission will, in autumn 2023, propose how sales of e-fuel-only cars can continue after 2035. Such cars will have to use technology to prevent them from starting when filled with petrol or diesel."
DRM
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View: https://youtu.be/RTdRlkRK_x8
Only £4k difference in comparison to diesel version.
Less maintenance, big tax breaks and far less maintenance.
And zero emissions
And as with all E-Vans the range is abysmal, fine for local work, useless for long distance, Ford state 195 miles, Parkers real world test get it to just over 100 miles, their review of the Citroen E-dispatch is not quite as disappointing, but not great, claimed 211 Miles, real world 140 Miles, so for a lot of service vans travelling all over, you get to site and any chargers are for the directors only, and even if you are allowed to use it, no where near where you're working, so a pain as the van is your workshop, so ideal for last mile couriers, service engineers no good at all
figbat
Slippery scientist
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There’s the issue. How to prevent use of fossil-derived fuels, not how to enable the use of e-fuels. The simple solution is to prevent the sale of fossil fuels.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
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I was locking the bike up this morning, and another colleague came into the shelter, just as a lovely 5.0 Mustang rolled into the multi-story car park. We both stopped to listen to it. I said 'we won't get that with leccy cars'. 
Alex321
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But the ban on fossil-fuel powered cars will only be on the sale of new ones.
Will existing ones run on these e-fuels without modification?
I was locking the bike up this morning, and another colleague came into the shelter, just as a lovely 5.0 Mustang rolled into the multi-story car park. We both stopped to listen to it. I said 'we won't get that with leccy cars'.
On the flip side, on the school run now if I'm quite early (as often happens) we see an abundance of squirrels, birds and occasionally other wildlife (there are deer down there in the woods) as we drive down the leafy lane to my daughters school. They don't seem to be as frightened of the gentle whine of the electric motors .
cougie uk
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I was locking the bike up this morning, and another colleague came into the shelter, just as a lovely 5.0 Mustang rolled into the multi-story car park. We both stopped to listen to it. I said 'we won't get that with leccy cars'.
Well you can but it'll be from a speaker in the car.
I'm sure their neighbours won't miss it starting up at 7am every day.
FishFright
More wheels than sense
I guess that's the way it'll go. Starting with escalating tax levels pricing off the roads those with cheap car budgets , those with higher budgets will have bought EV's by then, eventually making it only available for events etc.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
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There will be bloody washing machines everywhere. I'll get my lolly stick on the spokes instead.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
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Get on your bike you lazy sausage. Electric cars are contributing to the school run chaos ! I see more birds and squirrels that you do, and can hear them. Bike for the win !
Unfortunately the road that leads to the road to my daughters school is quite dangerous - such that the school have banned children coming to school on bikes. Even more annoyingly there are two or three potential entirely safe, almost traffic free routes but they are all on private land owned by the Burhill estate and thus inaccessible to bikes, leaving only the B365 seven hills road which is a narrow 40mph road and major artery (despite being a B road) and which has poor visibility on the hills.
Additionally older daughter is a textiles student and we frequently seem to be carting mannequins, glass heads, fabrics etc so not hugely practical always to cycle.
On the good news front, there is supposed to be a redevelopment of the road to put in cycling infrastructure to link Walton / Weybridge and Cobham. I think this has been delayed due to the huge works to redo the junction of the A3 at Cobham.
By the time it appears my kids will have left school :-(
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