Are we being forced to go electric?

[icowden]

From that pic they look like most cars ? No idea what the lights are at night though?

The ID4 has quite cool IQ LED lights which can move up, down, left and right to "look round the corner". It can also automatically turn off different parts of the LED headlight rather than just dipping the headlight so the driver can see the road up to the car in front. The lights are animated as well - so the indicator light pattern moves toward the indicating direction.

They are quite cool IMHO.

Even on the inside you get ambient lighting which you can set the colours for or use the colours as indication - e.g. all the lights will go red if the car thinks you are about to crash (which it will also stop you doing). I get flame colours in sport mode, and relaxing greens and yellows in ECO mode. Blues in comfort mode. Although if my older daughter has been in the car it's usually purples.

https://www.google.com/search?q=id+...#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:47993914,vid:olHLJAheLEo

High-tech by Volkswagen: IQ.Light. Anyone additionally seeking a certain je ne sais quoi will in future be able to order the optionally available IQ.Light with LED matrix headlights. Its light modules are made up of eleven individual LEDs each, which can be individually switched off and dimmed. They consequently emit an intelligently controlled, continuous main beam, always illuminating the road as brightly as possible without dazzling other road users.

The modules bear a strong resemblance to human eyes. Illuminated rings with a flattened lower section surround them – they are the hallmark of ID. models featuring IQ.Light. Honeycomb-shaped openings in the modules’ housings and all-round fibre optic cables generate the daytime running light. When the lighting is on, a light strip runs across the front end to link the headlights to each other.

Light modules in the headlights communicate with the driver even before the ID.4 sets off on a journey: whenever drivers approach the vehicle with the key, the lights electrically swivel upwards from the bottom to thus welcome them by looking up. With the Keyless Advanced access system on board, the vehicle features an enhanced welcome scenario: in this case, the light modules “open their eyes” and then additionally swivel to the side – making the impression that the vehicle is seeking eye contact with the approaching driver.

 

[newfhouse]

The lights are animated as well - so the indicator light pattern moves toward the indicating direction.

Is it just me that finds this fashion for animation distracting and less safe than a blinking amber on the relevant corner?

 

[icowden]

Is it just me that finds this fashion for animation distracting and less safe than a blinking amber on the relevant corner?

The one I really dislike is where the white headlight suddenly disappears and become a yellow indicator.

 

[Buck]

The “animated” turn signal is supposedly better in that it shows the direction of intended travel I.e. the light starts at the centre of the car and works to the outside edge.

It’s like all things on cars , they are a blend of safety, function and style.

 

[Gunk]

The ID4 has quite cool IQ LED lights which can move up, down, left and right to "look round the corner". It can also automatically turn off different parts of the LED headlight rather than just dipping the headlight so the driver can see the road up to the car in front. The lights are animated as well - so the indicator light pattern moves toward the indicating direction.

They are quite cool IMHO.

Even on the inside you get ambient lighting which you can set the colours for or use the colours as indication - e.g. all the lights will go red if the car thinks you are about to crash (which it will also stop you doing). I get flame colours in sport mode, and relaxing greens and yellows in ECO mode. Blues in comfort mode. Although if my older daughter has been in the car it's usually purples.

https://www.google.com/search?q=id+...#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:47993914,vid:olHLJAheLEo

It’s interesting that these days that this sort of nonsense is more important than how the car actually drives and handles.

 

[All uphill]

It’s interesting that these days that this sort of nonsense is more important than how the car actually drives and handles.

I guess it makes sense when much driving now is on congested roads where handling is irrelevant.

 

[icowden]

It’s interesting that these days that this sort of nonsense is more important than how the car actually drives and handles.

Not necessarily more important. It drives and handles beautifully also. But then all electric cars do. it's like that BHP discussion. It's irrelevant to an EV as you have all the power available immediately and the power to drive conversion is so much higher than those old explosion driven machines.

More to the point, I often felt like I was almost driving blind in the Renault Scenic at night. The lights on the ID4 on the other hand illumine the road beautifully, even when there is a car ahead. It's in a different league.

 

[cougie uk]

It’s interesting that these days that this sort of nonsense is more important than how the car actually drives and handles.

Up until I went electric the best thing ever on any of my cars was a clock that set itself.
Who cares about 0 to 60 times ?

 

[newfhouse]

The “animated” turn signal is supposedly better in that it shows the direction of intended travel I.e. the light starts at the centre of the car and works to the outside edge.

“Supposedly“ is doing a lot of work here. I find it less rather than more helpful in a busy street scene, particularly at night.

 

[Alex321]

Do they have petrol and diesel pumps on site or do they expect their customers to refuel elsewhere?

It isn't the same at all, or even similar.

 

[newfhouse]

It isn't the same at all, or even similar.

It seems a reasonable comparison to me. Why do you think it’s not?

 

[Mike_P]

Advert wrapper in a bit of today Times - free £1000 electric charging card or home charger with a specific new EV. Expect more such offers will arise, and probably package deals of EV and solar panel install will be keeping GoCompare occupied in a few year time

 

[classic33]

It seems a reasonable comparison to me. Why do you think it’s not?

Most sites already have electric on site, for use in the caravans. What would be the cost of upgrading the supply wires to cope with extra demand?

Petrol/diesel would require a fresh installation, with an area laid aside for it.

Neither option would be cheap, but starting from scratch is going to be a bigger reason to say no than upgrading supply.

 

[Alex321]

It seems a reasonable comparison to me. Why do you think it’s not?

Firstly, because refuelling with petrol/diesel takes 2-5 minutes at most from empty to full, while for an EV it takes 20 minutes minimum.

Secondly, installation of EV charge points are a few thousand pounds each at most, while installing fuel tanks is hundreds of thousands at minimum, then you have to keep refilling the tanks, and all the associated rules and regulations regarding selling of fuel (and most filing stations make very little profit on the actual fuel sales, most of it comes form ancillaries).

So basically, the cost of providing petrol & diesel on site is out of all proportion to the benefits, while charging points for EVs aren't.

 

[DRM]

Most sites already have electric on site, for use in the caravans. What would be the cost of upgrading the supply wires to cope with extra demand?

Petrol/diesel would require a fresh installation, with an area laid aside for it.

Neither option would be cheap, but starting from scratch is going to be a bigger reason to say no than upgrading supply.

On the best supplied sites, a touring pitch will have a 16 amp supply to each pitch, some can be as little as 6 amps, just enough to run the caravans fridge, lights and possibly the mains water heater, put the heater on using electric you’ll trip the supply out, the cost to upgrade the substation to increase the the supply on site is huge, reports saying Rishi Sunak has paid out tens of thousands of pounds to upgrade the supply to heat his swimming pool, so installing car chargers will be prohibitively expensive, some Certified sites don’t even have electric hook ups