cougie uk
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And it's always cold and blowing a gale when you need petrol...
Are we being forced to go electric?
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And it's always cold and blowing a gale when you need petrol...
not everyone has a drive not everyone has on street parking outside their apartment/flat etc …….. that’s facts ?!
The son doesn’t charge his Zoe at home as he’s on a prepayment meter. Seems to manage quite easily in his village which has a few charge points. He just plugs in, goes home to work then 5h later goes and retrieves the car. Costs about £11 for 200 miles. So, it can be done but everyone has a different situation. I’m observing from a distance to see how he copes long term but so far so good.
youngoldbloke
The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
But that won't be so easy if everyone needs those chargers. It works at the moment because a small minority of car users drive EVs. Charging infrastructure will need to keep pace with demand, and batteries improve to give much longer range and much faster charging. I don't stop for a coffee on long journeys at the moment, and I don't wish to have to start doing so. If I could recharge in the time it takes for a quick 'comfort break' that would be great, and maybe then I'd consider an EV.
You're an outlier in requirementsso not representative of the majority
Range doesn't need to increase, a car capable of over 200 miles, that is nearly 4 hours of driving. It's not safe or clever to drive that far non stop.
Charging speeds are continuing to improve with many able to recharge 20-80% in less than 30 mins some as quick as 15 mins
Of course you are right. Infrastructure must improve and charging speeds also. But we’ve come a long way already and more people are able to get involved as a used car market emerges. My example shows it is possible for people not ideally positioned for charging at home or on modest incomes ,I’ve not taken the plunge yet but could choose to when I need to change the car. At some point it will be a no brainer for most of us through shifts in fiscal sticks and carrots and cheaper vehicles, coupled with better and faster charging.
Senior manager left his home last week in the freezing conditions. His Q4 had 220 mile range , after he had defrosted , put the heating on . It took him about 15 miles to realise he had to switch all that off and just leave the heated seat on as his range dropped to 160. Hadn’t even reached the work place another 30 miles further on . No charge points at my work ! Nor should there be ! Anyway shows the downsides , I’m sure plenty upsides to owning one . All I know is he’s be shot if it in a heart beat !
Think the majority of us are watching from afar ! Our time will come soon enough just hope choices are better !
chris-suffolk
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Along with cold weather affecting battery life - what are they like for towing ? Caravans or boats? My diesel VW Passat is fine, not so sure about EV cars.
Alex321
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If you don't stop for a break on long journeys now, then maybe you should be forced to get an EV, so you will have to.
Although said in joke, it is generally accepted that driving much more than about 3 hours at a stretch starts to get dangerous because you simply cannot concentrate for that long.
The major motoring organisations all recommend taking breaks at 2-2.5 hour intervals, with those breaks being at least 10 minutes, preferably 15+
Alex321
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Why "nor should there be"?
I presume there is some reason for that statement, not just a case of you don't want them around?
classic33
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Presumably they don't have petrol pumps in the workplace either.
youngoldbloke
The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
If you don't stop for a break on long journeys now, then maybe you should be forced to get an EV, so you will have to.
Although said in joke, it is generally accepted that driving much more than about 3 hours at a stretch starts to get dangerous because you simply cannot concentrate for that long.
The major motoring organisations all recommend taking breaks at 2-2.5 hour intervals, with those breaks being at least 10 minutes, preferably 15+
I didn't say I didn't stop, and how about driver swaps anyway? Have you ever stopped at a busy motorway services on a summer Saturday? Unless there is a huge increase in the number of chargers there could be complete chaos if the number of EVs increases to the desired levels.
HMS_Dave
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Norway has one of the highest adoption rates of EV's with over half of new cars being battery powered. There climate i would claim is much cooler country than ours. I don't know any Norwegians to give you a hands on example on running one out there, but their adoption rate is increasing every year and shows no sign of slowing down, can't be too bad i would have though.
Jenkins
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Taxation incentives do help with the uptake 'though
The Norwegian EV incentives:
- No purchase/import tax on EVs (1990-2022). From 2023 some purchase tax based on the cars’ weight on all new EVs.
- Exemption from 25% VAT on purchase (2001-2022). From 2023, Norway will implement a 25 percent VAT on the purchase price from 500 000 Norwegian Kroner and over
- No annual road tax (1996-2021). Reduced tax from 2021. Full tax from 2022.
- No charges on toll roads (1997- 2017).
- No charges on ferries (2009- 2017).
- Maximum 50% of the total amount on ferry fares for electric vehicles (2018)
- Maximum 50% of the total amount on toll roads (2018-2022). From 2023 70%
- Free municipal parking (1999- 2017)
- Access to bus lanes (2005-). New rules allow local authorities to limit the access to only include EVs that carry one or more passengers (2016-)
- 25% reduced company car tax (2000-2008). 50 % reduced company car tax (2009-2017). Company car tax reduction reduced to 40% (2018-2021) and 20 percent from 2022.
- Exemption from 25% VAT on leasing (2015-)
- The Norwegian Parliament decided on a national goal that all new cars sold by 2025 should be zero-emission (electric or hydrogen) (2017).
- «Charging right» for people living in apartment buildings was established (2017-)
- Public procurement: From 2022 cars needs to be ZEV. From 2025 the same applies to city buses
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