It’s about £10k more for a Pug 208 EV over its fossil burning equivalent. Even the salesman was like why would you ? You will never ever see the savings ?
Are we being forced to go electric?
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It’s about £10k more for a Pug 208 EV over its fossil burning equivalent. Even the salesman was like why would you ? You will never ever see the savings ?
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You beat me to it!
I took 3 screenshots from a very quick visit to the Tesla website and all featured performance figures (top speed and acceleration) front and centre. No need to post them now.
Current EV's in our friendship circle: 4 Tesla (3 Performance 3's and one of the 'dumpy' ones), 2 Porsche Taycans, 1 Polestar ('cheap' one), 2 iPace (lots of software issues with both plus door seal problems on one) and a 2 with full electric Range Rovers 'in the pipeline'.
Talking about their cars they all rave about how fast the things are, or are going to be.
The Jag owners slightly less so as they whinge firstly about how blooming awful they are - one had a no-cost change at 6 months old as they couldn't fix the door seal issue on the original.
You beat me to it!
I took 3 screenshots from a very quick visit to the Tesla website and all featured performance figures (top speed and acceleration) front and centre. No need to post them now.
Current EV's in our friendship circle: 4 Tesla (3 Performance 3's and one of the 'dumpy' ones), 2 Porsche Taycans, 1 Polestar ('cheap' one), 2 iPace (lots of software issues with both plus door seal problems on one) and a 2 with full electric Range Rovers 'in the pipeline'.
Talking about their cars they all rave about how fast the things are, or are going to be.
The Jag owners slightly less so as they whinge firstly about how blooming awful they are - one had a no-cost change at 6 months old as they couldn't fix the door seal issue on the original.
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FishFright
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Did you look at the ad's for other non electric performance cars ? If not why not ?
Performance vehicles have always provided power and acceleration figures - that's why people buy them.
Why would a small slow car boast about how long it takes to get to 60mph.
Sure you can find all the information from companies which collate this data.
Now you can have performance and zero tailpipe emissions from EVs
Why would a small slow car boast about how long it takes to get to 60mph.
Sure you can find all the information from companies which collate this data.
Now you can have performance and zero tailpipe emissions from EVs
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But are we........isn't that what people have spent the last 200 odd pages discussing?
Gillstay
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I guess by our own foolish actions we are forcing it upon ourselves.
Jameshow
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Yrsp the woke fascists are imposing it upon us!
The the enviro celebs / scientists won't be giving up thier jet setting lifestyles!!
My predictions are the same generation will suffer crippling cold when we face a energy shortage due to our overwhelming dependence upon electricity!!
That or we will have a world war and we won't have a functional armed forces due to the hollowing out if our steel and engineering sector!!
DRM
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This is true, yesterday was all planned out, till I get a phone call to go do 4 jobs in Gosforth at 07.55 that have to be done that day, so that became a 235 mile round trip, that came out of the blue, just what you need on a monday morning, not!
cougie uk
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Things change. Look at how we all used to have local jobs. Then we could drive for more work.
It's not a great use of resources to spend hours each day driving.
I'd hope that in future tasks could be allocated better so most people could stay more local.
Already we have seen Amazon and DPD going to electric vans anyway - but I guess their scale and good IT are on their side.
FishFright
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Unless as a species we manage to learn to behave better than toddlers this discussion is pretty much irrelevant. Toddlers want ice cream every meal but don't know why they can't. Grown ups want that but know why they can't, this does not stop them ...
Holidaying at nation that that is going to under the waves before long due to things like flying half way around the world to look it. Grown ups know this a bad thing but go anyway and expect to be envied and congratulated.
The same goes for Antarctica but grown ups are travelling even further and using much more resources just to look at it.
Grown ups want a ton or more of metal car to enable their long commutes even though know it's wrecking the planet but believe their desire for a particular lifestyle trumps all other reasons.
Grown ups want strawberries for their ice cream in December and salads in January and are willing to burn untold resources to enable this.
I could go on and on but lets face it the human race behaves worse than a toddler with ADHD and considers this behavior to be justified because it want's ice cream for ever meal.
So what are you going to do about it ? Grow up a little or eat ice cream while Rome burns because your desires trump any amount of reality?
Holidaying at nation that that is going to under the waves before long due to things like flying half way around the world to look it. Grown ups know this a bad thing but go anyway and expect to be envied and congratulated.
The same goes for Antarctica but grown ups are travelling even further and using much more resources just to look at it.
Grown ups want a ton or more of metal car to enable their long commutes even though know it's wrecking the planet but believe their desire for a particular lifestyle trumps all other reasons.
Grown ups want strawberries for their ice cream in December and salads in January and are willing to burn untold resources to enable this.
I could go on and on but lets face it the human race behaves worse than a toddler with ADHD and considers this behavior to be justified because it want's ice cream for ever meal.
So what are you going to do about it ? Grow up a little or eat ice cream while Rome burns because your desires trump any amount of reality?
We have to change our behaviours. Not ‘them’, but us, you and me. For some it will include moving to an electric car or giving one up altogether, for others it’s long haul flights and diets. Yes, we do have to take the rest of the world with us, remembering we are not all starting at the same place and social justice is critical. Technologies will move forward and backwards and be accessible to different people at different times, but the status quo is not acceptable. While the UK might not be the worst part of the world affected, take a look at the recent flood risk maps from Bristol University to see the scale of the challenge us on our island are facing.
With smart practical folk like this around then yes we should all be forced into EV
Real world, already commercial, no mess Australiians
View: https://youtu.be/9eYLtPSf7PY
Shocking that Australia requires to import 95% of their fossil fuels. They have so much sun and available land mass for solar and wind adoption
Real world, already commercial, no mess Australiians
View: https://youtu.be/9eYLtPSf7PY
Shocking that Australia requires to import 95% of their fossil fuels. They have so much sun and available land mass for solar and wind adoption
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And they can easily be self-sufficient re nickel, cobalt & lithium requirements despite the complexity of their import/export arrangements - they do both for each element due to various trade relationships.
NB: I confess to Googling the above and had no prior knowledge! 😁
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