Are we being forced to go electric?

[CXRAndy]

https://www.carwow.co.uk/estate-car...AoCW5dt-8O1ZdSF93uIaAr-JEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Estate cars start around £30k for ICE versions

https://www.ezoomed.com/blog/buy-new/mg5-ev-electric-car/

MG5 £30K full EV.
There is the Porsche Taycan Turismo- out of your price bracket

There will be more estate shaped BEV coming. You're going to be waiting an awful long time for 500 mile range, sub £30k BEV

 

[geocycle]

We did an an airport run last night 180 miles door to door with no stopping apart from a hold up in traffic for 4 miles.
When we got home still had over half a tank of fuel so even if there had been a big diversion we had no worries about fuel no if we had been in a similar sized ev (nissan note) would we have got there and back on one charge and still have some power ?

Probably, the son‘s second hand Renault Zoe would have done that. The published range is 220 and he reckons on 190 in his driving’s style, it could have been a bit tight.

 

[biggs682]

Probably, the son‘s second hand Renault Zoe would have done that. The published range is 220 and he reckons on 190 in his driving’s style, it could have been a bit tight.

Which is what would worry me as I wouldn't want to be fannying about looking for a working charger

 

[cougie uk]

Which is what would worry me as I wouldn't want to be fannying about looking for a working charger

Admittedly I don't use them very often but it's easy enough to plan and have a few options. If you're doing 180 miles - you'd need maybe 20 mins to give you a decent fast charge.
20 mins on three hours driving isn't that much? I'd say a price worth paying for electric being 1/8 the cost of petrol for day to day driving.

 

[Milzy]

Tesla, leaf etc etc can be wired to the house ( with hybrid inverters ) and use the battery to run the property, mitigating the so called rolling black outs you speak of

It takes forever to charge that way. If there’s black outs we would be screwed. There’s very little in mitigating things.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Is there anyone at all on this forum who drives an EV and never charges at home , no option but to use public chargers ?

 

[jowwy]

It takes forever to charge that way. If there’s black outs we would be screwed. There’s very little in mitigating things.

What you charging…..you use the battery to power the house, no need for any charging, if the car is charged in the first place.

 

[biggs682]

Admittedly I don't use them very often but it's easy enough to plan and have a few options. If you're doing 180 miles - you'd need maybe 20 mins to give you a decent fast charge.
20 mins on three hours driving isn't that much? I'd say a price worth paying for electric being 1/8 the cost of petrol for day to day driving.

Thanks for the insite.
I just wouldn't fancy trying to find a working charger with an ever decreasing range late at night .

 

[Gillstay]

How far do your friends drive their classic cars ?

Sorry, but I cannot see the relevance of this question. What ever mileage you do you could still fit eco tyres, you cannot do without tyres.

They could still do a bit to lesson their effect, and easily.

 

[chris667]

There's no sensible reason for a Tesla to have a top speed of 250mph and 0-60 in 2 seconds.

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

I can definitely see a future for cars like the new Citroen Ami, which is now available with £2799 deposit and £19.99 a month.

https://www.citroen.co.uk/ami

28mph top speed is plenty for commuting. The batteries are lighter, the cars are easier to park (when did cars get so fat?) and because they have much lower power requirements there's far less drain on our power infrastructure. Modern cars weigh twenty times as much as the drivers. To claim that's an environmentally sound choice is greenwash.

I think the future is going to seriously inconvenience those with fast cars. And that's good.

A Tesla is a vanity purchase, just like any other luxury car. It's not achievable for everyone to have one and our economy would fall to bits if people with the crap jobs no longer had access to vehicles to get to work in.

There will be a critical mass where everyone is driving at 28mph and we will all be safer when we do, because it's been proven time and again that speed and enormous vehicles are the two things that kill people.

If covid has taught us anything, it is that people with crap jobs are what the economy really depends on.

Ignoring the feminist slant of this because that's a different discussion, just skip to 1:22. How would economics work without mothers?

 

[cougie uk]

It takes forever to charge that way. If there’s black outs we would be screwed. There’s very little in mitigating things.

When was the last time you had a blackout?
I can't recall any since the 70s ?

 

[biggs682]

@chris667 i totally agree the little Citroen and hopefully many more similar vehicles is where we should be heading rather than ev's and ice fully laden with gadgets we don't need that just keep pushing the prices up .

 

[Mike_P]

The Citroen Ami Ami isn’t classed as a car and legally is a quadricycle. A 16-year-old can drive it on public roads as long as they have a full AM moped licence.
www.autoexpress.co.uk/citroen/ami%3famp

 

[Milzy]

When was the last time you had a blackout?
I can't recall any since the 70s ?

They are said to be a thing of the future because of wind droughts. Also if world conflicts escalate the enemy would target our power grid first.

 

[jowwy]

They are said to be a thing of the future because of wind droughts. Also if world conflicts escalate the enemy would target our power grid first.

Wind droughts really???