Are we being forced to go electric?

[cougie uk]

Unless they drive longer and further than the battery range

How long do you think the average police chase is in the UK? This isn't The Cannonball Run?

 

[Mike_P]

Followed a Honda EV this evening and the ground clearance to, presumably the battery, looked a touch limited. Would not fancy driving it down two ruts with a slightly razed grass centre strip or similar.

 

[CXRAndy]

Followed a Honda EV this evening and the ground clearance to, presumably the battery, looked a touch limited. Would not fancy driving it down two ruts with a slightly razed grass centre strip or similar.

That could be because legacy manufacturers are using modified ICE chassis, instead of dedicated EV chassis

 

[cougie uk]

Followed a Honda EV this evening and the ground clearance to, presumably the battery, looked a touch limited. Would not fancy driving it down two ruts with a slightly razed grass centre strip or similar.

I don't think there would be an issue with grass brushing against the underside of a car.

 

[classic33]

How long do you think the average police chase is in the UK? This isn't The Cannonball Run?

Anywhere between 90 & 120 minutes. Often multiple one's in a day.

Will they be able to use TPAC* in electric vehicles, without risking the batteries or motors being damaged?

*One in front, one at the rear and two at the side(as a minimum).

 

[icowden]

Followed a Honda EV this evening and the ground clearance to, presumably the battery, looked a touch limited. Would not fancy driving it down two ruts with a slightly razed grass centre strip or similar.

Are you sure it was a Honda? They only have the Honda e (now discontinued I think) which is a small city car. It's not intended to be an off-roader.

 

[Mike_P]

I don't think there would be an issue with grass brushing against the underside of a car.

I was thinking of it hitting something rather more solid.

Are you sure it was a Honda? They only have the Honda e (now discontinued I think) which is a small city car. It's not intended to be an off-roader.

Um... Sure the rear badge was a Honda one but given how relatively bold the "Electric" was nearby on the rear wondering if it was a conversion.

 

[icowden]

Um... Sure the rear badge was a Honda one but given how relatively bold the "Electric" was nearby on the rear wondering if it was a conversion.

They have got new ones coming out, but the Honda Prologue is being rolled out in the USA in 2024. There might be some over here this year, but I'm not sure if they have been released yet.

 

[gbb]

Id like the opportunity to actually drive one, see how they actually feel, handle, sound. I'm not averse to the idea of one in the sense of actually driving one, but am deeply sceptical how they will actually work for me and millions like me without monumental changes to charging infrastructure and cost. I would be (and almost everyone on Peterboroughs average public housing estates) be reliant on remote, street charging so could never benefit from home / solar generated charging. I and presumably millions of others) may be priced off the road eventually or find it so difficult to actually get the car charged, it becomes more aggro than its worth.

But then, I still see a future perhaps where there are local pools of cars, set up in supermarket carparks perhaps, where you rent a car as needed, by the hour, day, whatever. As I retire, I could see how something like that 'could ' work for occasional motorists. Not sure its what I want....but then, it may be more / only viable proposition for those occasional car users in the future.

 

[Jameshow]

Id like the opportunity to actually drive one, see how they actually feel, handle, sound. I'm not averse to the idea of one in the sense of actually driving one, but am deeply sceptical how they will actually work for me and millions like me without monumental changes to charging infrastructure and cost. I would be (and almost everyone on Peterboroughs average public housing estates) be reliant on remote, street charging so could never benefit from home / solar generated charging. I and presumably millions of others) may be priced off the road eventually or find it so difficult to actually get the car charged, it becomes more aggro than its worth.

But then, I still see a future perhaps where there are local pools of cars, set up in supermarket carparks perhaps, where you rent a car as needed, by the hour, day, whatever. As I retire, I could see how something like that 'could ' work for occasional motorists. Not sure its what I want....but then, it may be more / only viable proposition for those occasional car users in the future.

They will become like train travel only for the rich. Those who can't afford it stay home!!

 

[Mike_P]

Maybe the swop the battery system in use in one of the Scandinavian countries might come to the fore whereby the battery is removed automatically and a newly charged one inserted. Aside from resolving the charging issue it would also resolve the battery life issue as any dud ones would get replaced. Could provide a role for all those ICE filling stations that otherwise look pretty doomed.

 

[All uphill]

Id like the opportunity to actually drive one, see how they actually feel, handle, sound. I'm not averse to the idea of one in the sense of actually driving one, but am deeply sceptical how they will actually work for me and millions like me without monumental changes to charging infrastructure and cost. I would be (and almost everyone on Peterboroughs average public housing estates) be reliant on remote, street charging so could never benefit from home / solar generated charging. I and presumably millions of others) may be priced off the road eventually or find it so difficult to actually get the car charged, it becomes more aggro than its worth.

But then, I still see a future perhaps where there are local pools of cars, set up in supermarket carparks perhaps, where you rent a car as needed, by the hour, day, whatever. As I retire, I could see how something like that 'could ' work for occasional motorists. Not sure its what I want....but then, it may be more / only viable proposition for those occasional car users in the future.

I would love that. Only having a car when we need one; replacing annual charges for parking, ved, finance, insurance, mot and repairs with a pay as you go model. Last year all of those cost us around £1200 and the car only travelled 1000 miles!

I feel sure this could be part of the answer to this country's transport needs. It wouldn't work for everyone, of course.

 

[All uphill]

They will become like train travel only for the rich. Those who can't afford it stay home!!

I agree, car ownership is likely to be less widespread than currently, and there will be big benefits to that as well as losses for some people.

Maybe it's just me, or just here, but train travel doesn't seem terribly expensive; an off peak day return from Taunton to Exeter cost me £9 this week, admittedly with a Senior Railcard. Compared with 80 miles of petrol, repairs, ved etc plus parking that is a bargain. As above our all in car use worked out at £1 mile in 2022!

 

[Mike_P]

The work cars are now EVs, I was shown how to drive one the week before the first lockdown and have not been near one since, the cleanliness of the previous ICE work cars was appalling so if the EVs are being treated the same there is no doubt some new covid versions evolving in them.

 

[simongt]

Apparently, the current availabilty of public chargers is one per eighteen EVs with the number in Britain now and at present rate of installation, it'll take the Govt. about twenty years to provide enough chargers to 'go round'. That takes us to 2043 and ICE engines will stop being made by 2030.
Hmm.