Why, lithium is volatile, like petrol
Are we being forced to go electric?
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Why, lithium is volatile, like petrol
I've seen quite a few, and yes range will be effected, just like any car whether electric of internal combustion.
lazybloke
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Yes, exactly. There are already people who cannot afford a car now, so try to wrap your head around how many MORE might be in that situation if cheap used EVs don't become as plentiful, as cheap, and as viable as used ICE cars are now.
fossyant
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The problem is, if the battery cell get's damaged, it's very difficult to extinguish, and the cells can re-ignite after you've put it out, but you know that. It's rare and I suspect more ICE car's go up, but at least they can be put out easier.
fossyant
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Bike racks murder any efficiency. My car is fairly aerodynamic, but put 4 big trail bikes on there, you've lost about 25% at 'speed' - I'd expect similar with an EV. Not a big deal, but you bear that in mind.
If these are company cars what are you paying at the moment BIK for the equivalent ICE?
I've read mid / high range company car is like £250-450/ month
Whereas a Tesla Model 3 are around £30/ month. That's an awful lot of savings to go towards the rental cost
fossyant
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No it's salary sacrifice. There are no company cars here. All leased.
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fossyant
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Be a no brainer if we had company cars (previous privately owned businesses did have) - but we're a University.
fossyant
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There is no benefit scheme offered for ICE cars. It's a Gov't wheeze to offer leases for EV's - it's not bad, the MG comes in OK, but it's still a wedge of dosh. The biggest issue is that's a wedge off your pensionable pay (based on salary average) and I do stress this to staff. It's being marketed quite hard for some reason (Tusker).
It's not really been stressed about the pension issues, like the Bike to Work was - £40 a month vs £400 or more off your pensionable salary, and for a much longer period ! Folk aren't realising that.
But is it cheaper than buying or personal leasing an EV? I don't know the figures to compare.
fossyant
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The new £27k MG had some good comments from staff, but it's still a serious wedge of cash.
I understand that it not cheap to get any new or nearly new vehicle. Folk have to personally weigh up, what they want and they are prepared to forego.
fossyant
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It's difficult to compare as private leasing has gone a bit crazy, but I'd say similar if you wanted a car of a similar value. Remember, EV's are a big premium.
The 'deal' comes as fully serviced and insured, so basic one payment, covers tyres, services, insurance - plug and go basically - which is actually quite good !
PCP is different as you'll need a deposit.
I think it works for those that have a long commute, doing big miles each day. Not so much for everyone else more local - but that's where 'active' travel policy comes in.
It's the hidden Pension impact - it's quite big - if you say lease a car for £4k a year, that's about £1k less going in from our employer !
Leasing seems the best way forward for high mileage drivers, ICE or EV. Company cars, EV all day. Jo Bloggs, low mileage drivers, any old car will do. Petrol/leccy heads, then anything FAST !
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