Are we being forced to go electric?

[fossyant]

I understand that it not cheap to get any new or nearly new vehicle. Folk have to personally weigh up, what they want and they are prepared to forego.

The New Leaf and MG seem the best value mid range car going. My colleague liked the MG - styling is a bit odd, but it drove well. Suspension a bit stiff. It's that £10k or so premium to move from say a Nissan Pulsar to a Leaf that's a chunk (Pulsar no longer sold). It's a whole lot of fuel to recover that £10k premium unless you do the miles.

 

[vickster]

The New Leaf and MG seem the best value mid range car going. My colleague liked the MG - styling is a bit odd, but it drove well. Suspension a bit stiff. It's that £10k or so premium to move from say a Nissan Pulsar to a Leaf that's a chunk (Pulsar no longer sold). It's a whole lot of fuel to recover that £10k premium unless you do the miles.

Not sure I‘d want a car from the Chinese government given the choice! Worse than Musk…don’t think he’s yet executed any dissident employees

 

[fossyant]

Not sure I‘d want a car from the Chinese government given the choice! Worse than Musk…don’t think he’s yet executed any dissident employees

This is it - anything 'affordable' seems to be coming from China - just got to hope they are using premium battery cells in addition to the human rights problems. There is a new funky city car on the offer, but it's from China.

 

[Jenkins]

Musk is already on it:
https://www.carwow.co.uk/tesla/news...ectric-car-hatchback-price-specs-release-date

It's possible that the starting price will be around £18k.

Which is what it states at the top of the article, but lower down..

Elon Musk has already confirmed that the new Tesla hatchback could cost $25,000, which is around £22,000.

Where did they get the £18k from?

 

[icowden]

Where did they get the £18k from?

Autocar have it mapped a bit better:-

Set to go on sale in 2023, the new Tesla hatchback will mark the firm’s landmark shift away from the premium EV sector into more accessible territory, building on the mammoth success of its Model 3 compact saloon in Europe, where it ranks consistently among the best-selling electric cars. A starting price in the US of around $25,000 has been suggested, which translates to less than £18,000 – but Tesla’s models typically cost slightly more outside of its homeland, so an on-sale price of around £20,000 is more likely. This would make it the brand’s cheapest model by a large margin, with even the most affordable variant of the Model 3 priced from £40,990.

I'm not sure how $25k translates to $18k. Maybe they had a really good exchange rate at that point...

 

[Alex321]

Sorry I should add that it caused so much damage that they had to tear down and entire multi storey carpark!

But is of no importance in this thread, as it doesn't seem to be anything to do with EVs.

 

[icowden]

But is of no importance in this thread, as it doesn't seem to be anything to do with EVs.

It was a counterpoint to the news story about a tesla battery catching fire, to illustrate the imbalance in reporting ICE fires vs EV fires.

 

[Alex321]

Autocar have it mapped a bit better:-

I'm not sure how $25k translates to $18k. Maybe they had a really good exchange rate at that point...

Probably, but it doesn't translate to the £22K suggested earlier either, at current exchange rates. It is about £20K, according to Xe.com.

 

[icowden]

Probably, but it doesn't translate to the £22K suggested earlier either, at current exchange rates. It is about £20K, according to Xe.com.

But if you then allow for the 2k increase as Autocar did - that takes you to £22k. It also doesn't factor in whether Musk is taking into account the California EV incentives which knock off a good amount of cost.

 

[classic33]

It was a counterpoint to the news story about a tesla battery catching fire, to illustrate the imbalance in reporting ICE fires vs EV fires.

And, it appears, that there's little training on dealing with a electric vehicle battery fire for US fire services.

 

[Hicky]

I spotted a tesla police car on my commute into Mcr today, who ever signed off on that needs their head feeling. I thought they were cash strapped !?

 

[biggs682]

Big difference between 18K and 44K!

Certainly is

 

[Alex321]

I spotted a tesla police car on my commute into Mcr today, who ever signed off on that needs their head feeling. I thought they were cash strapped !?

The police have always had "good" cars, and they do have a need for them, for fast response.

And an EV is well suited to general police work, I would have thought, with few long journeys

 

[Hicky]

The police have always had "good" cars, and they do have a need for them, for fast response.

And an EV is well suited to general police work, I would have thought, with few long journeys

EV yes- premium brand maybe a no for general police work.
Edited: knowing traffic/qrf need something a little different.

 

[geocycle]

EV yes- premium brand maybe a no.

They’ve always done it, remember Inspector Morse!