Are we being forced to go electric?

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In can understand how charging works but fast forward a few more years from now . We are going to be drawing a hell of a lot more from the grid ? What’s going to change between now and then ? There is cock all wind today ? It’s cloudy my panels are producing didly squat :-) I honestly think we have backed ourselves into a corner . Add in the ASHP when gas boilers are banned !!!

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So coming home putting the 7kw EV on charge isn't a peak load as much as putting the kettle on at 3kw and the oven on at 4kw??

How can you not know about off peak charging?
You need to do more research.
 

All uphill

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I don't have a dog in this fight, but my understanding is that having lots of BEVs charging at night is helpful to the generating network, smoothing the demand over each 24 hour period.

My view is that we have passed the point of change and that EVs are the future of motorised travel. I can't forsee what the solutions will be to all the objections raised, but I'm sure clever entrepreneurs are working on them now.

I'll stick to walking, bike and train. ^_^
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
I don't have a dog in this fight, but my understanding is that having lots of BEVs charging at night is helpful to the generating network, smoothing the demand over each 24 hour period.

My view is that we have passed the point of change and that EVs are the future of motorised travel. I can't forsee what the solutions will be to all the objections raised, but I'm sure clever entrepreneurs are working on them now.

I'll stick to walking, bike and train. ^_^

agree we have EV waste disposal trucks, EV articulated vehicles, EV snow ploughs, EV buses, EV Suvs etc etc etc.....it aint going back anytime soon, if ever. Get with the programme people, its a changing whether you like it or not

https://www.commercialfleet.org/new...-deploys-uk-s-first-electric-articulated-hgvs
 

MrGrumpy

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I don't have a dog in this fight, but my understanding is that having lots of BEVs charging at night is helpful to the generating network, smoothing the demand over each 24 hour period.

My view is that we have passed the point of change and that EVs are the future of motorised travel. I can't forsee what the solutions will be to all the objections raised, but I'm sure clever entrepreneurs are working on them now.

I'll stick to walking, bike and train. ^_^

Don’t think anyone is arguing that but petrol and diesel will be available to buy for some time yet !

The majority of people will be waiting to see what second hand EVs provide ? Along with hopefully a price drop on new . For those who aren’t ready are can’t commit to a full EV , a hybrid is probably a better choice right now !
 

All uphill

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Don’t think anyone is arguing that but petrol and diesel will be available to buy for some time yet !

The majority of people will be waiting to see what second hand EVs provide ? Along with hopefully a price drop on new . For those who aren’t ready are can’t commit to a full EV , a hybrid is probably a better choice right now !

To me the bigger question is whether car ownership is the best solution to needing the use of a car from time to time.

I'm on a train station as I write this; I'm a frequent rail traveller but have no intention of buying my own personal HST!
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
To me the bigger question is whether car ownership is the best solution to needing the use of a car from time to time.

I'm on a train station as I write this; I'm a frequent rail traveller but have no intention of buying my own personal HST!

That's ok if you have station near by though, all ours were removed back in 1958 where i live and the routes have been tarmacked over to create roads or cycle tracks....and also don't have a disabled/seriously ill partner
 

icowden

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To me the bigger question is whether car ownership is the best solution to needing the use of a car from time to time.
I'm on a train station as I write this; I'm a frequent rail traveller but have no intention of buying my own personal HST!
This is a very good point. One of Musk's intentions with Tesla is to create a fleet of autonomous taxis which will be far cheaper than normal taxis (robots need no sleep or pay). One of the articles I have seen was a projection that in the future we might be able to get rid of driveways and parking to a large extent and have much more greenery as people just summon a robotaxi to pick them up and take them where they need to go.
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
This is a very good point. One of Musk's intentions with Tesla is to create a fleet of autonomous taxis which will be far cheaper than normal taxis (robots need no sleep or pay). One of the articles I have seen was a projection that in the future we might be able to get rid of driveways and parking to a large extent and have much more greenery as people just summon a robotaxi to pick them up and take them where they need to go.

why is that any different to having a car whether petro/diesel/ev sat on the drive waiting to be used, that owes you no money??
 

Alex321

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why is that any different to having a car whether petro/diesel/ev sat on the drive waiting to be used, that owes you no money??

Because you will not need one per person. It would probably mean somewhere between 1/10 and 1/5 of the current number of cars, to cope with peak demand.
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
Because you will not need one per person. It would probably mean somewhere between 1/10 and 1/5 of the current number of cars, to cope with peak demand.

we don't have one per person now and neither do my in-laws next door or our neighbours the other side....so again, no different and everyone's needs/uses are different

and if myself, in-laws and neighbours all need to go somewhere different at the same time, than thats still 3 robocars required
 

Alex321

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we don't have one per person now and neither do my in-laws next door or our neighbours the other side....so again, no different and everyone's needs/uses are different

and if myself, in-laws and neighbours all need to go somewhere different at the same time, than thats still 3 robocars required

That is fairly unusual though. The average across the country is 1.24 cars per household (which includes single person households), and that average is pulled down by London only having an average of 0.78 per household.

I think the average per household with multiple adults outside London is probably pretty close to 2.

And while there may always be peaks where everybody in one street needs a car at the same time, it will be relatively uncommon for everybody in a village or small division of a suburban area to need one at the same time.

I'm sure that personal ownership of cars will remain the norm for quite a few years to come, but I can see that changing.
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
That is fairly unusual though. The average across the country is 1.24 cars per household (which includes single person households), and that average is pulled down by London only having an average of 0.78 per household.

I think the average per household with multiple adults outside London is probably pretty close to 2.

And while there may always be peaks where everybody in one street needs a car at the same time, it will be relatively uncommon for everybody in a village or small division of a suburban area to need one at the same time.

I'm sure that personal ownership of cars will remain the norm for quite a few years to come, but I can see that changing.

My family must be all unusual then......Parents one car, brother and sister in-law one car, some families just don't need multiple cars, its not a need thing with families, its a want thing. A must have, rather than an actual need.
 

lazybloke

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What are you wanting from battery technology that needs to dramatically improve?
Come off it, almost everyone would want an EV if the costs were the same as ICE cars.
Sadly, EVs cost far more. This has massive implications for prices of 2nd hand cars once ICE sales are banned.

Worse, the grumbles associated with EVs and their range/charger access/etc become bigger issues as the batteries degrade. So the owners of 2nd hand EVs will be exposed to the massive financial risk of battery replacement.

A new and better battery technology would :
  • be good for thousands of charge cycles without affecting capacity
  • not leak charge if left idle
  • not be damaged by being charged above 80%, or being depleted below 30%
  • not be damaged by fast-charging
  • could copy with seasonal temperature swings
  • be manufactured cleanly (using materials sourced with low environmental impact)
  • be readily and cleanly recycled at end of life
  • have excellent charge to weight (energy density)
  • be cheap to buy
  • be cheap (and clean) to recycle
Li-ion casn't do all of the above. Battery warranties in the UK are typically 5 years for small cars, 8 years for larger ones.
2nd-hand ICE cars last a heck of a lot longer than that, and are relatively cheap to keep running.

Probably li-ion is good enough for most (albeit at a cost and taking the UK population further into debt) but the manufacturer who brings to market a cheaper/better battery technology will be popping champagne corks.
 

FishFright

More wheels than sense
I'm not convinced and as China ramps up coal powered power stations I couldn't care less about an alleged climate apocalypse.
I predict in 50 years the electric car will be looked back on as the absurd anomaly it is.
as the rolling blackouts approach I hope your tesla,leaf etc prove to be the absolute top buy their owners are so desperate to convince us of.

China is currently doing the exact opposite and is moving towards nuclear.
 

marzjennings

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This is a very good point. One of Musk's intentions with Tesla is to create a fleet of autonomous taxis which will be far cheaper than normal taxis (robots need no sleep or pay). One of the articles I have seen was a projection that in the future we might be able to get rid of driveways and parking to a large extent and have much more greenery as people just summon a robotaxi to pick them up and take them where they need to go.

The only thing Musk wants is to make lots of money to fund his plan to be King of Mars. He has zero altruistic intentions to help save the planet. He just dropped the price of Tesla's to sell more cars to more individuals and to remain competitive against the multitude of cheaper and better options for electric cars coming from new and established car makers. Who all will continue to promote individual car ownership for as long as they can. I can't see a point where I'll never have my own car, I just don't have the patience for public or shared transportation, and fortunately due to possibility of 'robotic' driving I may get to enjoy having my own car well past the time I have the mental or physical capacity to actually drive one.
 
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