Are we being forced to go electric?

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CXRAndy

CXRAndy

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classic33 said:
And if they have to change the final approach to airports due to windfarms, what's the cost to the airline industry?
Factor in air corridor restructuring for the same reason, wind farms, and their effect on radar.
What price safety?
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Got to be a good thing, reducing flights. They're a massive contribution to C02 emissions
 
midlife

midlife

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CXRAndy said:
COVID cockup was one incident. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of wasted projects, purchases going on every year. Not just NHS, but that is a huge money pit, which could do with ground up reorganization. Eg if people were charged for not turning up to appointments, scans etc. Bet your bottom dollar they would be there on time every time.

Another waste of money which increases in cost every month just about HS2,. WTF is it for. To make travelling into London 20mins faster.

Then you have local government doing smaller wasteful projects.

I'm sure if folk did a cursory look in their area, there will be news articles, reports on what money has been stupidly wasted.
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I have a mirror person who did the same training as me, he works on private practice and I work exclusively for the NHS

Here are Finlays prices

https://www.garstangdental.co.uk/our-fees

My work is perhaps a bit more complicated as I deal with mouths disfigured by oral cancer but I turn our the same work for about £650 a pop and not £10000.

How many of my cancer patients can afford ten grand?

Not just me but private versus NHS cost for anything slightly complicated is unaffordable for many. which is the nub of why the NHS will continue for a while yet as the fully private alternative would simply leave a whole mass of individuals without treatment.
 
icowden

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Milzy said:
They still pollute with brake dust, tyre wear etc, still make a huge noise, still kill and maim more vulnerable road users. Still cause queues, still need huge infrastructure investments.
Only thing they don’t really do, as a petrol/diesel engine does, is engine noise and spew fumes out of the exhaust.
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wow. Always look on the bright side and all that.

They have much less brake dust due to regen braking, they kill fewer people by having advanced AI and collision avoidance technology, huge infrastructure investments nowhere near as huge as gas and oil. As you point out - no emissions and increasingly moron proof.
 
ianrauk

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SpokeyDokey said:
Re finer details:

The Scotsman is reporting that from 2025 all vehicles registered from 2017 will pay £10 first year and subsequent years at the lowest petrol/diesel band which is £165

https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...ch-because-of-other-cost-benefits-rac-3922123
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gbb

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icowden said:
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/can-you-own-an-ev-without-a-home-charger-setup/

No charger, no problem.
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ianrauk said:
But it was a problem. Not enough chargers and people parking in charging places.
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Its not a very good article tbf.
I have no home charger, no ability to park outside my house, even if you attached a street charger to every lampost In the street, there's not enough space for all the cars, even if they had discipline and moved once charged....which trust me, will NOT happen, people are incredibly lazy.
So if I had an EV, the only public charge points atm are about 1/4 mile away at a Costa. I don't drink coffee so would drive there, put it on charge, trudge home in any assortment of weather then trudge back...in any assortment of weather to get it home.
The infrastructure might as well be eons away for many of us.
Of course its do-able, but at what cost, not monetary but inconvenience.
 
cougie uk

cougie uk

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classic33 said:
And if they have to change the final approach to airports due to windfarms, what's the cost to the airline industry?
Factor in air corridor restructuring for the same reason, wind farms, and their effect on radar.
What price safety?
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Seriously - that is the issue you're making up ? Turbines in front of runways ?

There's a LOT of the country that isn't runways luckily.

Anyway I'm sure a good pilot could dodge the turbine blade on less windy days. LIke a good old computer game.
 
classic33

classic33

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cougie uk said:
Seriously - that is the issue you're making up ? Turbines in front of runways ?

There's a LOT of the country that isn't runways luckily.

Anyway I'm sure a good pilot could dodge the turbine blade on less windy days. LIke a good old computer game.
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Genuine issues in the airline industry.
And easy enough check for yourself. And more time in the air, costs more.

Then ask yourself, who has the "louder voice", you or the airline industry.
 
cougie uk

cougie uk

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classic33 said:
Genuine issues in the airline industry.
And easy enough check for yourself. And more time in the air, costs more.

Then ask yourself, who has the "louder voice", you or the airline industry.
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Are you saying that wind farms have been built and now planes have to fly round them ?
Why would they have been given planning permission ?
 
classic33

classic33

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cougie uk said:
Are you saying that wind farms have been built and now planes have to fly round them ?
Why would they have been given planning permission ?
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I'd say the promise of "green energy" outweighed the objections. The result in most cases was a change to the final approach. And planes do have to avoid them, by flying miles out of the way.
 
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