Are we being forced to go electric?

[FishFright]

Just stop buying cars , because of the magnitude of upcoming climate change maintaining your lifestyle is irrelevant.

 

[Chislenko]

Must admit Mrs. C's little old diesel, mostly local trips, whilst still reliable is showing signs of wear and tear and I anticipate it needing a lot of money spent on it at next MOT plus it is due a cam belt **

We are in the fortunate position of having OSP and we are toying with the idea of going electric for her whilst still keeping my big old diesel workhorse for longer journeys.

I have raised in the past the problems for people with no OSP and sympathise with them. I would not consider electric if we didn't have OSP.

** The one advantage I had of working in the motor trade all my life was that previously I never worried about car repair bills! They just used to evaporate into the system 😊

 

[icowden]

What would she do if no chargers on the street.

Not charge the car.

I’m just saying it’s not as simple (or cost effective) as for people who have OSP.
That’s before taking the far higher cost of EVs into account which will be a barrier for millions

The more EVs that are produced, the cheaper they will become. Battery tech will become better and better etc. You do know that petrol stations in abundance happend *well* after motor cars became popular?

But back in the pioneering days of the motor car, there were no petrol stations. Keeping your horseless carriage fed would have required a trip to the local chemist where, between the soap and the hair tonic, you’d have pointed at a two-gallon tin of the stuff.

With the end of the First World War, things began to change. Russian-made petrol had been widely available, but in an effort to promote British-made ‘motor spirit’ or benzole – a by-product of burning coal – the AA opened the first filling station in Aldermaston, beside what is now the A4.

There’s little more than a bus stop there now, but in 1919 motorists would have been served by a patrolman in full AA garb, who’d dispatch his happy customers with a cheery salute. This established the modern idea of pulling off the road rather than refilling at the kerbside, and by 1923 there were 7,000 such pumps across the country.

Others were little more than a pump or two at the foot of someone’s garden, such as the Grade II-listed West End Garage in Turnastone, Herefordshire, thought to be the country’s oldest surviving filling station having acquired its licence in 1922 – only the second to be granted.

Attendants were commonplace, leaping like a coiled spring from a small hut to fulfil their duty, which often went as far as addressing any mechanical issues, perhaps even routine servicing.

And:-

It wasn’t until the 1960s that self-service stations began to appear in appreciable numbers, one of the earliest being at Southwark Bridge, London, opening in November 1961. This ushered in the era of the covered forecourt, with many stations nestling their pumps under outlandishly-designed canopies that looked more like an impending alien invasion.

And yet people purchased the motor car in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s etc. AT peak there were 40,000 filling stations in the UK, we are now down to around 8,300.
As this article points out:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57416829

Electricity is everywhere, it's just about adding some plug sockets.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

VED exemption for EV's gone for 2025.

EV BIK tax to rise by 1%.

 

[Alex321]

VED exemption for EV's gone for 2025.

Just a bald announcement of that in the Autumn Statement, without explanation of what the rates will be for zero-emission cars.

Actually, having just gone back to check, it is only emission-based for the 2nd and subsequent years for vehicles registered before 2017. Later vehicles are at a fixed rate from the 2nd year, with electric currently being zero (petrol or diesel £165).

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Just a bald announcement of that in the Autumn Statement, without explanation of what the rates will be for zero-emission cars.

Actually, having just gone back to check, it is only emission-based for the 2nd and subsequent years for vehicles registered before 2017. Later vehicles are at a fixed rate from the 2nd year, with electric currently being zero (petrol or diesel £165).

Re finer details:

The Scotsman is reporting that from 2025 all vehicles registered from 2017 will pay £10 first year and subsequent years at the lowest petrol/diesel band which is £165

https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...ch-because-of-other-cost-benefits-rac-3922123

 

[Milzy]

VED exemption for EV's gone for 2025.

EV BIK tax to rise by 1%.

They still pollute with brake dust, tyre wear etc, still make a huge noise, still kill and maim more vulnerable road users. Still cause queues, still need huge infrastructure investments.
Only thing they don’t really do, as a petrol/diesel engine does, is engine noise and spew fumes out of the exhaust.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

They still pollute with brake dust, tyre wear etc, still make a huge noise, still kill and maim more vulnerable road users. Still cause queues, still need huge infrastructure investments.
Only thing they don’t really do, as a petrol/diesel engine does, is engine noise and spew fumes out of the exhaust.

I wasn't crying about it - I see it as a correct and fair decision.

 

[youngoldbloke]

It's not going to stop at VED. How will the income from the duty on petrol and diesel of 52.95p litre be replaced?

 

[SpokeyDokey]

It's not going to stop at VED. How will the income from the duty on petrol and diesel of 52.95p litre be replaced?

I'm in favour of something like the 1696 Window Tax.

The Solar Panels tax? 😁

 

[cougie uk]

I'm in favour of something like the 1696 Window Tax.

The Solar Panels tax? 😁

So you'd tax something to make us more reliant on Russian gas ? Why ?

 

[classic33]

So you'd tax something to make us more reliant on Russian gas ? Why ?

There was less than 5%, of the total used, imported from Russia last year.

 

[cougie uk]

There was less than 5%, of the total used, imported from Russia last year.

Even so. Imagine if we had been more pro renewables - its got to be the future.

 

[classic33]

Even so. Imagine if we had been more pro renewables - its got to be the future.

And if they have to change the final approach to airports due to windfarms, what's the cost to the airline industry?
Factor in air corridor restructuring for the same reason, wind farms, and their effect on radar.
What price safety?

 

[ianrauk]

That is annoying. But if the EV were yours presumably you'd have just charged before going out and had no inconvenience ?

I've never seen that but I hardly ever charge away from home.

We live in a flat, so no charger.