Are we being forced to go electric?

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KnittyNorah

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ClichéGuevara said:
I think most if not all of those are paid for from local rates rather then general VED.
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They' re paid for by different agencies, depending on the type of road are. All these agencies are funded by local and general taxation, into which VED goes.
Road tax - which started in 1909 - only ever paid for some repairs to the existing roads, never for their construction, and ceased being ring-fenced when Churchill started 'raiding' it in the mid 1920s, a full decade before the thing was abolished.
 
Milzy

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KnittyNorah said:
Some people are (mis)understanding VED as Vehicle Emissions Duty, so that might be one source of confusion leading to idea that the VED system can't be applied to EVs.
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Yeah I know this but it’s all over the news & social media. So they’d have to change the system which will be hard. Maybe they’ll just keep going on with their click bait story. The thing is the nonsense bad media will put people off.
 
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We do, we pay VAT on everything we buy for our bikes, clothing etc. not to mention VAT on cake ;)

Bikes don’t cause damage to infrastructure in tut same way that much larger heavier vehicles do. Road infrastructure is designed for large fast vehicles. Without motorised vehicles, much of it and its maintenance would be unnecessary surely?
 
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vickster said:
We do, we pay VAT on everything we buy for our bikes, clothing etc. not to mention VAT on cake ;)

Bikes don’t cause damage to infrastructure in tut same way that much larger heavier vehicles do. Road infrastructure is designed for large fast vehicles. Without motorised vehicles, much of it and its maintenance would be unnecessary surely?
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I’ve said that to the cycling haters before but they just don’t get it.
 
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Milzy said:
So are you saying us cyclists should pay ‘something’ then?
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All residents of the UK - not omitting cyclists - pay something, and usually quite a considerable something - towards the maintenance of the Public Highway (don't forget that word 'Public') through various forms of taxation which will catch everyone at some point. Of course we all accrue some benefit from these roads - if only to be able to catch the bus along them, or to rely on their ability to allow the bin men and the fire engines to travel along them.
 
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Milzy said:
Yeah I know this but it’s all over the news & social media. So they’d have to change the system which will be hard. Maybe they’ll just keep going on with their click bait story.
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There is no real change need to the system, they just revert back to what they had before trying to encourage lower emissions by varying the rate.

It will be absolutely trivial to do not "hard" at all.

What will be harder will be selling it to the public. But even that shouldn't be super-hard.

Milzy said:
The thing is the nonsense bad media will put people off.
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That is true, and is part of the reason selling it to the public will be harder.
 
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Alex321 said:
There is no real change need to the system, they just revert back to what they had before trying to encourage lower emissions by varying the rate.

It will be absolutely trivial to do not "hard" at all.

What will be harder will be selling it to the public. But even that shouldn't be super-hard.



That is true, and is part of the reason selling it to the public will be harder.
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There'd be no need to "sell it to the public". If you want to take a motorised vehicle on UK roads, legally, you'll have to pay.
 
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Tbf, no government has to 'sell' to us any future changes in legislation re VED. As that time comes, they will do what they have to do, some of the public will grumble and groan but will pay up.
Thats the inevitable way it will be. Social media will tell us how people are 'outraged and 'disgusted' and sadly, some idiots read it, believe it and react to it. A bit like 'McDonald's customers are 'heartbroken' as blah blah product is no longer available'
No they're not,a few might be disappointed but will live, its just media hype to feed the stupid minority of the masses.
 
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gbb said:
Tbf, no government has to 'sell' to us any future changes in legislation re VED. As that time comes, they will do what they have to do, some of the public will grumble and groan but will pay up.
Thats the inevitable way it will be. Social media will tell us how people are 'outraged and 'disgusted' and sadly, some idiots read it, believe it and react to it. A bit like 'McDonald's customers are 'heartbroken' as blah blah product is no longer available'
No they're not,a few might be disappointed but will live, its just media hype to feed the stupid minority of the masses.
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My mcds was closed the other day... Ruined my year - had to have a Aldi chicken salad sandwich!!😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣
 
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gbb

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Alex321 said:
There will be a need to "sell it to the public" because if it is too unpopular then it is likely to result in losing an election.
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Not necessarily. The subject matter are EVs in essence and should they pay? As revenues fall from increased EV usage, I think most people are grown up enough to know they will inevitably be 'taxed ' in one form or another in the near or far future. As the majority of owners atm dont have EVs, the majority of people will support the measure you could argue ?
In essence, you're right, everything a government does risks alienating the public, but history tells me, people have very short memories.
 
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