Are we being forced to go electric?
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And for those concerned that the battery makes an EV as bad is ( if not worse than) an ICE car, this is a great thread explaining why batteries are "greener" than they are sometimes made out to be.
View: https://twitter.com/MusingsEv/status/1570033033763295232?s=20&t=jNpCV6EUL7GLKwsHuhuzzw
cougie uk
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You do know that the petrol at the garage doesn't just flow freely out of the ground there ?
Gillstay
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Total bollix. Owned ICE Nissans and over 100k it's been less than £5k.
KnittyNorah
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So nothing in petrol cars comes from China then .
I can't see how ANYTHING which uses rare earths and/or is manufactured thousands of miles away, can be called 'green'. GreenER than some other things, certainly, but not free of damage to the environment.
Gillstay
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But that's the route we are taking. We want to get greener and that is a path that will gradually be taken and there will be some false starts and miss steps on the way. Almost nothing we do is free of damage to the environment, even putting your shoes on.
You didn't read the twitter thread then? Or any of the posts in this thread?
I can summarise if you like...
- CO2 emissions from manufacturing ICE vs EV: Manufacturing the car - pretty much the same. Manufacturing the battery about 27g/km extra.
- CO2 emissions from fuel ICE vs EV: By the time the cars have driven 17,000 miles, the ICE car has caught up to the EV with CO2 emissions due to tail pipe gasses mostly. By the time you get to 100,000 miles the ICE car has spewed 260g/km whilst the EV is still on 150g/km, and nearly half of that is due to electricity production. If production becomes greener then that actually reduces. Countries are trying to reduce dependence on fossil fuels. This means that as an EV ages it is likely to become even more green. An ICE will always be polluting.
- Cobalt and lithium are mined for all sorts of purposes, EV construction is a very small part of that - plus research into batter tech is driven by the update of EVs, meaning that Cobalt and Lithium usage will be reduced if not eliminated for *all* batteries not just EVs. That includes your laptop, mobile phone, etc.
- Manufacture in China. This is not an EV issue. The world manufactures in China due to cheap labour and lax safety laws. You want to change that? Start lobbying your MP, stop buying anything made in CHina - you'll find it tricky.
Yes. That's the point. If you want to buy a Car, then an EV is Greener than buying a Hybrid which is greener than buying an ICE car.
ICE is on the way out. The new technology has arrived.
KnittyNorah
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Surely what you meant to say was that if you NEED to buy a car ...
Choosing to buy a car because you want one, rather than because you need one, is never going to be any sort of green option, regardless the type of propulsion system and fuel you select.
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Got to agree, average price of £250 to £300 per service on an ICE vehicle, 10 years worth of servicing is going to be £2500 to £3000 over the cars life time, even my van which is doing starship mileage each month won’t rack up 300,000 miles, that’s not quite ten years of constant use if it’s kept, which it won’t be, but the service interval is 25,000 miles or yearly, which ever comes first, so that’s 12 services, up to 300,000 miles probably cost £4200 to £4500
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That will be with servicing at main dealers, at recommended intervals. And given the prices are in $, probably US ICE vehicles - which tend to have far shorter service intervals than UK/European cars. Though also with less expected to be done at a "service".
Most people don't get their cars serviced at main dealers, and often go beyond recommended intervals, so will rarely pay anything like that much in maintenance.
You have to compare like with like.
Skipping service just increases likelihood of earlier failure.
It's a fair comparison, highlighting ~ 82% less to own an EV for maintenance costs alone.
Then there is the huge, I mean huge fuel savings. If you invest in solar, then in absolute no time , solar has paid itself off and free electric travel thereon in
Skipping service just increases likelihood of earlier failure.
It's a fair comparison, highlighting ~ 82% less to own an EV for maintenance costs alone.
Then there is the huge, I mean huge fuel savings. If you invest in solar, then in absolute no time , solar has paid itself off and free electric travel thereon in
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