Are we being forced to go electric?

[Jameshow]

At some point the numbers of ICEs will have fallen such that large numbers of filling stations will have closed and prices will no doubt increase at those left. The price difference between EVs and ICEs is predicted to drop as production and hence economies of scale increase.

I think they will be replaced by EV charging tbh.

Ones that do close will be like old independent petrol stations - marginal businesses who are in the wrong way.

 

[figbat]

I think they will be replaced by EV charging tbh.

Ones that do close will be like old independent petrol stations - marginal businesses who are in the wrong way.

There is no point having “EV charging stations” in the same way you have fuel stations. You ideally charge a car when doing something else, so chargers should be where people dwell - shopping, dining, cinema, theatre, sleeping etc. Chargers on main routes yes, for those long journeys on motorways and trunk roads but many petrol stations are urban or suburban and not well placed for EV charging.

It’s been said a lot before - a change of mindset is needed.

 

[youngoldbloke]

There is no point having “EV charging stations” in the same way you have fuel stations. You ideally charge a car when doing something else, so chargers should be where people dwell - shopping, dining, cinema, theatre, sleeping etc. Chargers on main routes yes, for those long journeys on motorways and trunk roads but many petrol stations are urban or suburban and not well placed for EV charging.

It’s been said a lot before - a change of mindset is needed.

So you believe there will be thousands and thousands of chargers available in supermarket car parks. cinema complexes, and not just the 2 or 3 you sometimes find currently? Thousands and thousands more, not just 10 or twenty, but hundreds, available at each motorway services? And even more thousands and thousands of on-street chargers. I do wonder what this brave new world will look like. A change of mindset will certainly be needed.

 

[icowden]

So you believe there will be thousands and thousands of chargers available in supermarket car parks. cinema complexes, and not just the 2 or 3 you sometimes find currently? Thousands and thousands more, not just 10 or twenty, but hundreds, available at each motorway services? And even more thousands and thousands of on-street chargers. I do wonder what this brave new world will look like. A change of mindset will certainly be needed.

No - thousands of chargers are not needed. Most people only need to charge at home. It's not petrol.

 

[CXRAndy]

Yesterday I saw 4 model 3s in a row passing me at a junction.

The town where my daughter goes to school, has seen a massive upsurge in EV, Tesla, VW, Pugs, Honda Es, Volvo.

 

[CXRAndy]

There will be far fewer stations. Some will transition to EV charging, mostly due to location. The rest will close.

 

[Jameshow]

There will be far fewer stations. Some will transition to EV charging, mostly due to location. The rest will close.

Many though are convenience stores.

Those which are purely petrol stations will struggle.

 

[cougie uk]

So you believe there will be thousands and thousands of chargers available in supermarket car parks. cinema complexes, and not just the 2 or 3 you sometimes find currently? Thousands and thousands more, not just 10 or twenty, but hundreds, available at each motorway services? And even more thousands and thousands of on-street chargers. I do wonder what this brave new world will look like. A change of mindset will certainly be needed.

The vast majority of people won't need to recharge at the cinema or the shops.

If you're on holiday - perhaps.
If you have no home charging perhaps.

I'm not going to the cinema if it's that far away from home!
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[vickster]

No - thousands of chargers are not needed. Most people only need to charge at home. It's not petrol.

How will people who live in flats or don’t have off street parking at their residence do that conveniently, cheaply and safely overnight?

 

[gbb]

No - thousands of chargers are not needed. Most people only need to charge at home. It's not petrol.

But we're back to a modern problem, millions of people don't have the benefit of a drive.
Peterborough for instance has many many 'modern' estates , some built in the 60s, some being built now, where communal parking areas are the norm.
If I think up my street of around 50 houses (and that is a short street) I'm not sure a single one can park outside their front door. You could theoretically run an extension out but thats simply not desirable...or safe.
Scale that across the estate, just my estate and I suspect 90% of people can't charge a car from their house (in a safe or appropriate way)
The street, if you placed charging points along its length you would struggle to accommodate all the cars, some houses (HMOs have three or more cars . Lots and lots of Pboro is like that, no reason to think many other modern towns are the same.

 

[icowden]

How will people who live in flats or don’t have off street parking at their residence do that conveniently, cheaply and safely overnight?

That's why I said "most" and not "all". Those who live in flats or don't have off street parking do tend to live in areas with good public transport and where a car isn't a necessity. There will be an increase in on-street charging points - lamp posts have been one mooted solution.

 

[cougie uk]

Most people don't live in flats.
Some people in flats won't have cars but even flats have car parks?
I'd suggest it's an issue for the landlords and tenants to sort.

That's if the cars don't go anywhere else where there is charging.

Like work, supermarkets, zoos, tourist attractions, various streetlamps, cafes, charging stations etc etc etc.

 

[youngoldbloke]

That's why I said "most" and not "all". Those who live in flats or don't have off street parking do tend to live in areas with good public transport and where a car isn't a necessity. There will be an increase in on-street charging points - lamp posts have been one mooted solution.

I live in a village with no streetlights, some houses have no off-street parking, draping cables across pavements in the dark not a good idea. Cars really are a necessity. I suppose residents will have to drive to the nearest town to charge. I suspect there are many, many people in many places that will find at-home charging difficult if not impossible with current technology. There will also be an issue regarding chargers in conservation areas - I used to live in a conserved village which was mostly a single long terraced street, with street lighting fixed on the houses themselves, at eaves level. Many of those cottages had no rear access. Almost none-existent public transport.

 

[Mike_P]

One make of cars in Scandinavia has swoppable batteries so the battery is exchanged rather than being charged Obvious issues of where that would take place but who knows how the EV market and servicing will evolve.

 

[Gunk]

But we're back to a modern problem, millions of people don't have the benefit of a drive.

And may want to do a road trip further than the range of the batteries.

There is no way we will be ready for 2030, I would guess it will end up being pushed back. Especially now the government are spending 150 Billion on the energy crisis, they may need to provide even more support in 2 years time so I can’t imagine that the EV roll out will be at the top of the list of policy priorities. The 2030 date was just plucked out of the air with out much thought on how it was realistically going to be delivered.