Are we being forced to go electric?

[cougie uk]

There is no conventional gearbox as in ICE cars but I thought EVs had reduction gears in the drive?

Possibly. I'm not a real mechanic. I just drive one.

 

[CXRAndy]

One pedal driving 99.9% of the time

I hardly touch the brake pedal on the Nissan Leaf or Model 3.

There is no conventional gearbox as in ICE cars but I thought EVs had reduction gears in the drive?

There is usually a single reduction gear on most EVs, the torque of the motor in conjunction with gearing, allows for zero to maximum speed within the max motor rpm.

Now Audi and Porsche have gone with two gears, to maximise acceleration and top speed. This shows where the Taycan begins to pull away from the likes of a Tesla once you get above 120mph. This maybe to satisfy the German sales rep, smashing it up the autobahn

 

[youngoldbloke]

I hardly touch the brake pedal on the Nissan Leaf or Model 3.


There is usually a single reduction gear on most EVs, the torque of the motor in conjunction with gearing, allows for zero to maximum speed within the max motor rpm.

Now Audi and Porsche have gone with two gears, to maximise acceleration and top speed. This shows where the Taycan begins to pull away from the likes of a Tesla once you get above 120mph. This maybe to satisfy the German sales rep, smashing it up the autobahn

What a useful feature! 👎

 

[figbat]

I hardly touch the brake pedal on the Nissan Leaf or Model 3.


There is usually a single reduction gear on most EVs, the torque of the motor in conjunction with gearing, allows for zero to maximum speed within the max motor rpm.

Now Audi and Porsche have gone with two gears, to maximise acceleration and top speed. This shows where the Taycan begins to pull away from the likes of a Tesla once you get above 120mph. This maybe to satisfy the German sales rep, smashing it up the autobahn

Yep. And the reduction gears still need oil, so the idea that pervades that EVs are somehow dry is dispelled. They need transmission oil, coolant, greases and brake fluid to name a few.

 

[DRM]

I hardly touch the brake pedal on the Nissan Leaf or Model 3.


There is usually a single reduction gear on most EVs, the torque of the motor in conjunction with gearing, allows for zero to maximum speed within the max motor rpm.

Now Audi and Porsche have gone with two gears, to maximise acceleration and top speed. This shows where the Taycan begins to pull away from the likes of a Tesla once you get above 120mph. This maybe to satisfy the German sales rep, smashing it up the autobahn

And they wonder why BMW’s & Audi’s are the bane of everybody’s driving experiences when they do stupid things like that, the Tesla is more than fast enough, the speed limit is 70mph in the UK, what a disaster letting someone loose in a leased company car like that, one they couldn’t care less about, other then getting from A to B as fast as possible, and stuff everyone else

 

[SpokeyDokey]

And they wonder why BMW’s & Audi’s are the bane of everybody’s driving experiences when they do stupid things like that, the Tesla is more than fast enough, the speed limit is 70mph in the UK, what a disaster letting someone loose in a leased company car like that, one they couldn’t care less about, other then getting from A to B as fast as possible, and stuff everyone else

Tesla are no paragons of virtue on the performance front.

Model S Plaid / 1020 hp / 0-60 1.99 seconds / top speed 200mph.

Figures from their website.

Re company cars - I had a lot over the years and looked after them properly. To the best of my knowledge most of my colleagues did too.

One company I worked for with over 2000 vehicles leased from Avis had punitive charges for any of the rare occasions when abused cars were returned at lease-end - the company picked up the tab and the costs were then charged back to the individual's cost centre which would thereby affect that individual's bonus.

 

[icowden]

Awful stuff but I believe the fatality was in the Range Rover and the passenger is in a critical condition. How bloody fast was the RR driving ?

It's now thought to be about 100mph I think. I thought it was a great testament to the Tesla that it survived the impact of a Range Rover doing the best part of 100mph landing on top of it. Kudos to Tesla on the safety and strength of the car.

 

[icowden]

Yep. And the reduction gears still need oil, so the idea that pervades that EVs are somehow dry is dispelled. They need transmission oil, coolant, greases and brake fluid to name a few.

But they use that brake fluid rarely and the other oils almost never need replacing. What they don't need is engine oil which requires replacing every few years.

 

[icowden]

Won't we need chargers in every lamp post in every street? Cables draped across pavement where terraced houses have no gardens? Liability for pedestrian injuries? Councils installing, council tax increases? There are one or two chargers in some petrol stations and some car parks. Look around, consider when every vehicle you see parked needs charging. There is a long long way to go, and it is going to cost us all a lot. I'll probably not be around to enjoy the undoubted benefits. I hope it all works out.

Nope, nope and nope. Go and read Elon Musk's mission statement. There will never be a need for everyone to own an EV. In fact car ownership will drop. Once EVs are autonomous, if you can afford one, it can go out and help other people when you aren't using it. Self drive fleets will kill the taxi trade and provide a replacement for car ownership. That's Musk's plan. To put his own company potentially out of business.

 

[youngoldbloke]

Nope, nope and nope. Go and read Elon Musk's mission statement. There will never be a need for everyone to own an EV. In fact car ownership will drop. Once EVs are autonomous, if you can afford one, it can go out and help other people when you aren't using it. Self drive fleets will kill the taxi trade and provide a replacement for car ownership. That's Musk's plan. To put his own company potentially out of business.

- a utopian dream?

 

[CXRAndy]

- a utopian dream?

A definite vehicle ownership revolution. Why own a vehicle when one is available almost instantly for use

 

[DRM]

Tesla are no paragons of virtue on the performance front.

Model S Plaid / 1020 hp / 0-60 1.99 seconds / top speed 200mph.

Figures from their website.

Re company cars - I had a lot over the years and looked after them properly. To the best of my knowledge most of my colleagues did too.

One company I worked for with over 2000 vehicles leased from Avis had punitive charges for any of the rare occasions when abused cars were returned at lease-end - the company picked up the tab and the costs were then charged back to the individual's cost centre which would thereby affect that individual's bonus.

That’s exactly what I’m saying, a Tesla is more than fast enough, adding a 2 speed gear box into a German c*ck mobile just to get even more speed out of it is, frankly ridiculous, abusing a car doesn’t mean crashing it, scratching it or putting dents in it, just thrashing the backside off it because you haven’t paid for it and couldn’t care less what happens to it mechanically, I know full well how lease companies go over the body work when cars and vans are returned, but on the whole you can guarantee that if something comes tearing up behind you at warp factor 9, it’s a rep in BMW or an Audi

 

[DRM]

But they use that brake fluid rarely and the other oils almost never need replacing. What they don't need is engine oil which requires replacing every few years.

Brake fluid will need changing every 2 years, just like an ICE car, it’s hygroscopic, which means it absorbs water from the atmosphere, then if left and you have to brake hard, or whilst travelling down hill can cause the absorbed water to boil, causing the brake pedal to go to the floor and then you aren’t stopping any more.
the drive train will also need to have the oil changed, at intervals specced by the manufacturer

 

[CXRAndy]

I reckon the Germans added the extra ratio, so could have bragging rights, their car is faster on the fast motorways. something to differentiate their cars from Tesla.

What I found apart from one Audi rep mobile, I was pretty much the fastest vehicle on the autobahn traveling at 125mph.

Since my last Germany trip, the German drivers have slowed considerably-maybe fuel costs impinging their fun

 

[ClichéGuevara]

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