Are we being forced to go electric?

[Alex321]

What sort of time frame do people think I have before I won't be able to use my classic bikes and cars?

As it stands I have 3 bikes/scooter that are MOT/TAX exempt and my camper van will be in 2 yrs time so passing emission tests won't be an issue.

When is it we're going to be unable to buy a normal car from 2030? so in theory I could buy a 10 yr old one in 2040 and it would still have a few good yrs left in it, not going to panic just yet.

Well no new ICE vehicles can be sold from 2030, so the numbers on the road wil, decline fairly rapidly after that. And as numbers decline, it will no longer bee onomical to run filling stations. I suspect it will be fairly hard to get fuel for them after about 2035 and very hard by about 2040.

 

[Deleted User]

Well no new ICE vehicles can be sold from 2030, so the numbers on the road wil, decline fairly rapidly after that. And as numbers decline, it will no longer bee onomical to run filling stations. I suspect it will be fairly hard to get fuel for them after about 2035 and very hard by about 2040.

Oh, OK.

 

[DRM]

Well no new ICE vehicles can be sold from 2030, so the numbers on the road wil, decline fairly rapidly after that. And as numbers decline, it will no longer bee onomical to run filling stations. I suspect it will be fairly hard to get fuel for them after about 2035 and very hard by about 2040.

I actually think petrol and diesel will be around for a long while, it’ll be needed for HGV’s, Vans & all the different types of Plant machinery and agricultural vehicles, there’s still perfectly mechanically serviceable vehicles out there now that are quite elderly, so the last few ICE vehicles sold in 2030 could well be still in use in 2050, and research is on going into replacement fuels for ICE vehicles, iirc F1 will be on fully synthetic fuel from 2026

 

[Chislenko]

I actually think petrol and diesel will be around for a long while, it’ll be needed for HGV’s, Vans & all the different types of Plant machinery and agricultural vehicles, there’s still perfectly mechanically serviceable vehicles out there now that are quite elderly, so the last few ICE vehicles sold in 2030 could well be still in use in 2050

I think we also have to remember that what Governments say and what Governments do are two entirely different things!

 

[DRM]

I think we also have to remember that what Governments say and what Governments do are two entirely different things!

Quite, although I think it‘s a Europe wide thing to stop the manufacturer of ICE vehicles, but I do think synthetic fuels will be available to run the ones left on the road

 

[Deleted User]

I actually think petrol and diesel will be around for a long while, it’ll be needed for HGV’s, Vans & all the different types of Plant machinery and agricultural vehicles, there’s still perfectly mechanically serviceable vehicles out there now that are quite elderly, so the last few ICE vehicles sold in 2030 could well be still in use in 2050, and research is on going into replacement fuels for ICE vehicles, iirc F1 will be on fully synthetic fuel from 2026

Of course it will, when was the last 2 stroke vehicle made yet you can still buy oil and they still pass MOT'S.

 

[Alex321]

Of course it will, when was the last 2 stroke vehicle made yet you can still buy oil and they still pass MOT'S.

Quite a lot of garden equipment is still 2-stroke.

 

[Deleted User]

Quite a lot of garden equipment is still 2-stroke.

Your strimmer need an MOT?

 

[Gunk]

You can still buy a brand new 2 stroke motorcycle

https://www.langenmotorcycles.co.uk/product/langen-two-stroke

 

[Chislenko]

EV's. Practical Questions.

As someone who has never been in an EV far less driven one how do they operate.

Do they all have an auto box thus just two pedals?

Or do some have like a conventional clutch system?

With them being a good deal heavier are the recommended stopping distances greater?

 

[figbat]

No clutch, no gears. Just two pedals, accelerator and brake. Most will drive on just one pedal, because when you lift off the accelerator it goes into regen mode where the motor works as a generator and puts some charge back into the battery. This offers a fairly strong ‘engine braking’ effect and will drop you all the way to a stop (since the motor does not have to keep spinning like an engine does).

Mine has a lever for selecting D, N, R or P.

Braking can feel a bit different to a conventional car but with regen and brakes together the distances are comparable.

 

[youngoldbloke]

No clutch, no gears. Just two pedals, accelerator and brake. Most will drive on just one pedal, because when you lift off the accelerator it goes into regen mode where the motor works as a generator and puts some charge back into the battery. This offers a fairly strong ‘engine braking’ effect and will drop you all the way to a stop (since the motor does not have to keep spinning like an engine does).

Mine has a lever for selecting D, N, R or P.

Braking can feel a bit different to a conventional car but with regen and brakes together the distances are comparable.

Why are they so much more expensive than ICE cars? Given that a lot of complicated bits - IC engines, gear boxes etc - are no longer required? I know that batteries are very expensive but ...

 

[DRM]

Electronics, to put it simply, the controller and a/c chopper box aren’t cheap, batteries are expensive as are traction motors, you still have a gearbox in the form of a reduction gear in there, all of this mounts up

 

[cougie uk]

EV's. Practical Questions.

As someone who has never been in an EV far less driven one how do they operate.

Do they all have an auto box thus just two pedals?

Or do some have like a conventional clutch system?

With them being a good deal heavier are the recommended stopping distances greater?

There's no auto box. The motor has a huge range.
I basically drive mine like a gi kart. One pedal driving 99% of the time.
Once you lift off the accelerator it starts to slow down and will stop.
Actually using the brake pedal is quite rare. Who wants to wear out their discs ?

I don't think the stopping distance is any different to any other car.

Do range rovers have twice the distance of say a fiesta?

 

[cougie uk]

Why are they so much more expensive than ICE cars? Given that a lot of complicated bits - IC engines, gear boxes etc - are no longer required? I know that batteries are very expensive but ...

Probably economies of scale play a part. Comparatively new tech is going to be more expensive than stuff that's been refined over decades.
Plus I think people are prepared to pay a bit of a premium for them.