Are we being forced to go electric?

[Chislenko]

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1563465903273943040

Is every car in China white?

 

[Gunk]

I reckon the Germans added the extra ratio, so could have bragging rights, their car is faster on the fast motorways. something to differentiate their cars from Tesla.

What I found apart from one Audi rep mobile, I was pretty much the fastest vehicle on the autobahn traveling at 125mph.

Since my last Germany trip, the German drivers have slowed considerably-maybe fuel costs impinging their fun

Last time I went on the Autobahn most cars seem to be driving between 85 and 90 mph max, very few were driving that fast.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Last time I went on the Autobahn most cars seem to be driving between 85 and 90 mph max, very few were driving that fast.

Try Berlin city , the young team seem to be driving their AMGs, M3s and occasional Ferrari and Lambo at full pelt ! Well sounds like it

 

[DRM]

Try Berlin city , the young team seem to be driving their AMGs, M3s and occasional Ferrari and Lambo at full pelt ! Well sounds like it

Same as Bradford when there’s a wedding going on

 

[icowden]

Brake fluid will need changing every 2 years, just like an ICE car, it’s hygroscopic, which means it absorbs water from the atmosphere, then if left and you have to brake hard, or whilst travelling down hill can cause the absorbed water to boil, causing the brake pedal to go to the floor and then you aren’t stopping any more.

The eNiro EV recommends changing the brake fluid every 30,000 miles. Tesla recommend testing the fluid every two years but only replacing as needed.

the drive train will also need to have the oil changed, at intervals specced by the manufacturer

Er... what drive train?

This is from Tesla:

Tesla engineers continuously review maintenance recommendations to optimize the performance, reliability, durability, safety and resale value of your Tesla.

Unlike gasoline cars, Tesla cars require no traditional oil changes, fuel filters, spark plug replacements or emission checks. As electric cars, even brake pad replacements are rare because regenerative braking returns energy to the battery, significantly reducing wear on brakes.

The only maintenance items on a Tesla are:

• Hepa filter every 2 or 3 years (model dependent - more expensive models have a better filter which only needs changing every 3 years)
• Tire rotation / balance / alignment as needed
• Brake fluid test every 2 years
• Air conditioning service every 6 years

That's it. No other oil changes, no emissions tests, no nothing. Other models differ. FOr example a Nissan Leaf uses reduction gear oil which should be inspected, and they inspect a lot of other bits too. But the only replacements routinely are the air con filter and the brake fluid.

Mind you, for what it's worth the only oil I have ever changed on an ICE vehicle is the engine oil and the brake fluid. But you enjoy oiling your drivetrain by all means...

 

[CXRAndy]

Toyota playing silly anti EV games.


View: https://youtu.be/0WtaE1Vj-fM?t=722

 

[Deleted User]

I can understand the 'pro electric' but not so much the 'anti'?

I wouldn't want one because in my opinion they have no 'soul' or character and do nothing for me but if people want one then fill yer boots, just don't have a go at those that don't.

I'm sure at some point my kids will be forced to have them (they may want them) but I doubt anyone on this forum will be 'forced' to have one unless they want a brand new car once normal ones have stopped being produced.

As a matter of interest (I can't be bothered googling it) are all countries going to stop selling petrol/diesel cars at the same time and would you still be able to import a car from a country that hadn't banned them?

 

[cougie uk]

I can understand the 'pro electric' but not so much the 'anti'?

I wouldn't want one because in my opinion they have no 'soul' or character and do nothing for me but if people want one then fill yer boots, just don't have a go at those that don't.

I'm sure at some point my kids will be forced to have them (they may want them) but I doubt anyone on this forum will be 'forced' to have one unless they want a brand new car once normal ones have stopped being produced.

As a matter of interest (I can't be bothered googling it) are all countries going to stop selling petrol/diesel cars at the same time and would you still be able to import a car from a country that hadn't banned them?

I don't need soul or character from a car. It just has to get me from point a to b.

When you import cars don't they have to pass standards? I don't know if they'll change the standards by then but it'd be an expensive way to do things and you may struggle with getting petrol.

 

[CXRAndy]

I can understand the 'pro electric' but not so much the 'anti'?

I wouldn't want one because in my opinion they have no 'soul' or character and do nothing for me but if people want one then fill yer boots, just don't have a go at those that don't.

I'm sure at some point my kids will be forced to have them (they may want them) but I doubt anyone on this forum will be 'forced' to have one unless they want a brand new car once normal ones have stopped being produced.

As a matter of interest (I can't be bothered googling it) are all countries going to stop selling petrol/diesel cars at the same time and would you still be able to import a car from a country that hadn't banned them?

Most in Europe are within 5 or so years. Norway being the first in 2025. I very much doubt you will be able to import a ICE vehicle past the sales ban date. Who knows maybe individual imports may still be allowed. The issue is where could you drive it, towns and cities will have greater and greater zones for clean vehicles and larger and larger penalties for non compliant vehicles.

Subject to change-snowball picking up pace

Norway............................... 2025
UK, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, India 2030
France, Canada, China California, Spain, Portugal 2040
Colorado 2050
See here https://www.greencitytimes.com/global-ice-vehicle-phase-out/

 

[Deleted User]

I don't need soul or character from a car. It just has to get me from point a to b.

When you import cars don't they have to pass standards? I don't know if they'll change the standards by then but it'd be an expensive way to do things and you may struggle with getting petrol.

I understand people just have a car for practical reasons and that's great but we're not all the same are we?

I doubt you'll have trouble getting petrol for a while though, do you?

Imagine the last day you can buy a petrol car arrives how long after that do you think demand for petrol will continue 20yrs? 30yrs, so that's 2060 already.

I may be wrong but I doubt many of us on here will be around to find out.

 

[figbat]

The eNiro EV recommends changing the brake fluid every 30,000 miles. Tesla recommend testing the fluid every two years but only replacing as needed.



Er... what drive train?

This is from Tesla:



The only maintenance items on a Tesla are:

• Hepa filter every 2 or 3 years (model dependent - more expensive models have a better filter which only needs changing every 3 years)
• Tire rotation / balance / alignment as needed
• Brake fluid test every 2 years
• Air conditioning service every 6 years

That's it. No other oil changes, no emissions tests, no nothing. Other models differ. FOr example a Nissan Leaf uses reduction gear oil which should be inspected, and they inspect a lot of other bits too. But the only replacements routinely are the air con filter and the brake fluid.

Mind you, for what it's worth the only oil I have ever changed on an ICE vehicle is the engine oil and the brake fluid. But you enjoy oiling your drivetrain by all means...

Teslas do have a reduction transmission and it does have oil in it. In fact different models use different technologies. My job includes developing oils for EV transmissions and whilst I don’t claim credit for the Tesla oil(s) I am aware of their needs.

 

[DRM]

Mind you, for what it's worth the only oil I have ever changed on an ICE vehicle is the engine oil and the brake fluid. But you enjoy oiling your drivetrain by all means...

Reduction gearbox MUST have oil in it, if not it‘s going to seize up
So as for your Er ….What drive train, all EV’s have a reduction gear to join the drive motor to the wheels, that drive train is what I’m referring to, so go and have a look and see if the gearbox is sealed for life.
so they also test the brake fluid every two years and recommend changing if the water content is too high, that’s standard practice, most manufacturers usually specifying a change every two years, but you know what, why not replace the dot brake fluid with silicon brake fluid, then it’ll never need changing.

 

[icowden]

Reduction gearbox MUST have oil in it, if not it‘s going to seize up
So as for your Er ….What drive train, all EV’s have a reduction gear to join the drive motor to the wheels, that drive train is what I’m referring to

Fair point. It's just not the one you were making, which was about the need to regularly replace that oil.

, so go and have a look and see if the gearbox is sealed for life.

Why? Tesla say that it does not require regular maintenance. Therefore it doesn't. Are are you suggesting that they are actively sabotaging their own cars by telling you not to do something that needs doing?

 

[Jameshow]

Most in Europe are within 5 or so years. Norway being the first in 2025. I very much doubt you will be able to import a ICE vehicle past the sales ban date. Who knows maybe individual imports may still be allowed. The issue is where could you drive it, towns and cities will have greater and greater zones for clean vehicles and larger and larger penalties for non compliant vehicles.

Subject to change-snowball picking up pace

Norway............................... 2025
UK, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, India 2030
France, Canada, China California, Spain, Portugal 2040
Colorado 2050
See here https://www.greencitytimes.com/global-ice-vehicle-phase-out/

I'm moving to Colorado! 🤣🤣🤣

 

[icowden]

I understand people just have a car for practical reasons and that's great but we're not all the same are we?
I doubt you'll have trouble getting petrol for a while though, do you?
Imagine the last day you can buy a petrol car arrives how long after that do you think demand for petrol will continue 20yrs? 30yrs, so that's 2060 already.
I may be wrong but I doubt many of us on here will be around to find out.

All good points. The question though may be more nuanced. As demand for petrol / diesel decreases, the price is likely to go up. So although you will almost certainly be able to buy both in 2060, there is somewhat of a gamble as to the point at which it becomes unaffordable for the average person to use for daily tasks.