Are we being forced to go electric?

[icowden]

I'm moving to Colorado! 🤣🤣🤣

Good luck - let us know how the gun crime and health care go for you...

 

[Deleted User]

All good points. The question though may be more nuanced. As demand for petrol / diesel decreases, the price is likely to go up. So although you will almost certainly be able to buy both in 2060, there is somewhat of a gamble as to the point at which it becomes unaffordable for the average person to use for daily tasks.

Good point and something we'll have to wait and see what happens.


I suppose though unless electric cars become a lot cheaper there's always the money saved by not buying one that can be spent on fuel?

 

[DRM]

Fair point. It's just not the one you were making, which was about the need to regularly replace that oil.


Why? Tesla say that it does not require regular maintenance. Therefore it doesn't. Are are you suggesting that they are actively sabotaging their own cars by telling you not to do something that needs doing?

No, not what I’m saying at all, Tesla will specify the lubricant for the reduction gear, in consultation with the gearbox manufacturer, if they deem it doesn’t need changing, it’s sealed for life, if they specify a change after x miles, or x years, that’s what you do.

 

[figbat]

No, not what I’m saying at all, Tesla will specify the lubricant for the reduction gear, in consultation with the gearbox manufacturer, if they deem it doesn’t need changing, it’s sealed for life, if they specify a change after x miles, or x years, that’s what you do.

And to be clear, ‘fill for life’ does not equal ‘fill forever’. ICE cars have had supposedly unserviceable transmissions for years, and yet they also have their oils changed but since it is not routine, it is not really discussed.

 

[FishFright]

I'm moving to Colorado! 🤣🤣🤣

For the legal weed ?

 

[DRM]

And to be clear, ‘fill for life’ does not equal ‘fill forever’. ICE cars have had supposedly unserviceable transmissions for years, and yet they also have their oils changed but since it is not routine, it is not really discussed.

Exactly, I’ve had many a discussion at work over transmission fluid & when it should be changed, firmly believe that 4 litres of oil and a filter are cheaper than a transmission repair.

 

[Alex321]

I understand people just have a car for practical reasons and that's great but we're not all the same are we?

I doubt you'll have trouble getting petrol for a while though, do you?

Imagine the last day you can buy a petrol car arrives how long after that do you think demand for petrol will continue 20yrs? 30yrs, so that's 2060 already.

I may be wrong but I doubt many of us on here will be around to find out.

How old do you think most on this forum are?

I know there are a fair few wrinklies, and at 63 I include myself in that. But I would hope to still be around in 20 years time, and wouldn't be overly surprised at 30. And I'm sure there are a lot of people on here who are much younger than that.

And I think that demand for petrol will have dropped enough to make it uneconomic to continue running petrol stations within about 10-15 years of the ban coming into force. There wil still eb some petrol stations around, but they will need much bigger margins per litre than they currently operate on (and even now most make their main profits from ancillary sales, not from the actual fuel sales).

 

[Deleted User]

How old do you think most on this forum are?

I know there are a fair few wrinklies, and at 63 I include myself in that. But I would hope to still be around in 20 years time, and wouldn't be overly surprised at 30. And I'm sure there are a lot of people on here who are much younger than that.

And I think that demand for petrol will have dropped enough to make it uneconomic to continue running petrol stations within about 10-15 years of the ban coming into force. There wil still eb some petrol stations around, but they will need much bigger margins per litre than they currently operate on (and even now most make their main profits from ancillary sales, not from the actual fuel sales).

Exactly the age you suggest, around 50 odd, so therefore probably not really driving that much in 30 yrs time.

As pointed out already, in my opinion only of course, if the option to buy a petrol car stopped in 2030 I'll be 65 so I buy a brand new one.

If that car lasts 20 yrs I'll be 85 and not really driving too much I would imagine so I don't think I'll be 'forced to go electric ' which is what the thread is asking I believe?

Obviously people who don't want older cars will have to buy electric because there is no option after 2030 but that's pretty obvious really so not really worth asking.

 

[GuyBoden]

My worry is that as these electric car get older, the DIY home car fixers can easily kill themselves will the huge electric shock from an electric car's battery pack.

 

[icowden]

No, not what I’m saying at all, Tesla will specify the lubricant for the reduction gear, in consultation with the gearbox manufacturer, if they deem it doesn’t need changing, it’s sealed for life, if they specify a change after x miles, or x years, that’s what you do.

This is at odds with your previous statement that EVs would need their drive train oil changed regularly.
So now you agree with me that it doesn't need changing at all as part of regular maintenance?

 

[cougie uk]

My worry is that as these electric car get older, the DIY home car fixers can easily kill themselves will the huge electric shock from an electric car's battery pack.

Well if people are stupid enough to ignore all of the warnings about doing dangerous things - do you really want them driving cars on public roads ?

 

[vickster]

The roads will be so gridlocked by 2024, I don't think my 70 odd year old self will want to be driving, EV or ICE!

 

[Alex321]

The roads will be so gridlocked by 2024, I don't think my 70 odd year old self will want to be driving, EV or ICE!

What makes you think traffic will increase so much in 2 years?

Or was 2024 a typo?

 

[vickster]

What makes you think traffic will increase so much in 2 years?

Or was 2024 a typo?

errr I meant to type 2040...updated I'm nowhere near 70 yet

 

[cougie uk]

The roads will be so gridlocked by 2024, I don't think my 70 odd year old self will want to be driving, EV or ICE!

Ah we will have loads of bike paths by then so the roads will be almost empty as everyone realises how brilliant cycling is...