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[<Tommy>]

And to everyone else I get that no one has the stomach for this none sense. Honestly I don’t either so I get it. I can only apologise this sh!t keeps on rearing it’s head. I’m sick of it.

But this is a public forum. Maybe I’m fighting against the tide but I just want a system people can’t game to fill their own pathetic need to feel like they’ve won something in life.

 

[<Tommy>]

There are people like you Pete, legs, etc. most of us really. Who are trying our best just to get fit and have fun while we do it because fun is the best motivator. Then there are others who try desperately hard to stay with a category so they can stay at the front of the field and get that pretend glory. That’s fine if that’s your thing. It doesn’t make me angry. But when I call you up on it you don’t have the right to get angry and play the victim. Calling me a bully for calling someone up on their BS is out of line in my opinion. It’s too easy to do that. I’ve just made the same point again and again. Whilst continually getting insulted in return. It’s easier to attack the man than the message I guess.

 

[Whorty]

Insulting me doesn’t make anything I said untrue.

You are a dullard, like a stuck record. You need to grow up and start acting your age. That's not an insult, it's fact fella. Just because you was sandbagging in B when you were clearly an A rider, it doesn't mean that's what we all do.

I also get that you're too scared to race against lower cats on flat courses, which is why you only like hilly races ... because you have to win. Pretty sad mate.

What I was suggesting, as are most others, are races where any one of us could win. Makes it more fun, more interesting. But you then try to turn it round to an "everyone gets a medal" childish taunt. Not very teamy is it, but then you're not really a team player else ou wouldn't have ruined the B team's chances of winning the league by bowing through the cat barrier (clearly sandbagging).

I get you won't agree with this, you're too arrogant to see your faults ... but, not my problem. I'll choose races I enjoy and avoid races I don't. Not because I want to win (I don't win that often) but because I ride for enjoyment not because of some 'rule' laid down by an internet know it all dullard

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[Whorty]

I’ve said multiple times I don’t want to argue with him. But it’ll keep happening so long as he pokes the bear.

Pray show me where I gloat about winning. If you're going to throw accusations, at least back it up with facts.

Also, I didn't respond to any of your posts today until you started to get childish. I responded to Lee, and I didn't insult Lee I was merely pointing out that for me, a hilly race in CC in pointless as we will know who will win before the off. Whereas a flatter race, with punchy bits, it's more open and anyone could win.

I want races to be inclusive, I don't see that as a negative.

 

[<Tommy>]

You are a dullard, like a stuck record. You need to grow up and start acting your age. That's not an insult, it's fact fella. Just because you was sandbagging in B when you were clearly an A rider, it doesn't mean that's what we all do.

I also get that you're too scared to race against lower cats on flat courses, which is why you only like hilly races ... because you have to win. Pretty sad mate.

What I was suggesting, as are most others, are races where any one of us could win. Makes it more fun, more interesting. But you then try to turn it round to an "everyone gets a medal" childish taunt. Not very teamy is it, but then you're not really a team player else ou wouldn't have ruined the B team's chances of winning the league by bowing through the cat barrier (clearly sandbagging).

I get you won't agree with this, you're too arrogant to see your faults ... but, not my problem. I'll choose races I enjoy and avoid races I don't. Not because I want to win (I don't win that often) but because I ride for enjoyment not because of some 'rule' laid down by an internet know it all dullard

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The trouble is whorty all that waffle is just more insults… it doesn’t change what anyone with a pair of eyes can see for themselves…. One of us has made sure they don’t get promoted, the other is constantly trying to push forward. I’d suggest that is why we clash. We have the opposite mindset.

Calling me a sandbagger probably the most desperate thing to come out of your mouth.

this isn’t the court of public opinion for me even if it is for you.

 

[<Tommy>]

Calling me to act my age when you’re clearly going through a midlife crisis is a peach by the way…

Just keep them coming if it helps you to feel better. I can take it. It’s amazing how many insults you can find for someone who simply questioned you’re racing ethics.

Although I know for a fact everyone else is bored shitless with it.

So maybe pm me to give everyone else a break…

 

[bobinski]

Isn't that what I'm proposing? Racing for fun?

If we know who's going to win before the race starts, how is that fun?

I think you are proposing people only race where they might win? Have I missed something?

 

[Whorty]

There are people like you Pete, legs, etc. most of us really. Who are trying our best just to get fit and have fun while we do it because fun is the best motivator. Then there are others who try desperately hard to stay with a category so they can stay at the front of the field and get that pretend glory. That’s fine if that’s your thing. It doesn’t make me angry. But when I call you up on it you don’t have the right to get angry and play the victim. Calling me a bully for calling someone up on their BS is out of line in my opinion. It’s too easy to do that. I’ve just made the same point again and again. Whilst continually getting insulted in return. It’s easier to attack the man than the message I guess.

God, you really can't stop can you .... I get that you think you're an expert on my fitness, but I'm not a B rider. I don't post B numbers. I don't even post top of C numbers. You know nothing about my fitness so button it and mind your own business. It really is that simple fella. You and your little pal start every single spat on here.

But you just can't help yourself because your arrogance thinks you're right. Sorry to disappoint but only you and Lee think this ... no one else thinks I'm sandbaggging. Not anyone else in CC, not any C riders I race against. It's only you 2.

 

[<Tommy>]

God, you really can't stop can you .... I get that you think you're an expert on my fitness, but I'm not a B rider. I don't post B numbers. I don't even post top of C numbers. You know nothing about my fitness so button it and mind your own business. It really is that simple fella. You and your little pal start every single spat on here.

But you just can't help yourself because your arrogance thinks you're right. Sorry to disappoint but only you and Lee think this ... no one else thinks I'm sandbaggging. Not anyone else in CC, not any C riders I race against. It's only you 2.

Yawn

 

[Peter Salt]

I do apologise in advance, Tommy. Perhaps you had some early Friday cocktails again but it all really makes you sound like a petty w4nker mate.

I propose that you and Carl either sort this out via DM or a boxing ring. That's it.

@Moderators, can I please ask that this is cleaned up? Not sure what the rules are.

 

[Whorty]

I think you are proposing people only race where they might win? Have I missed something?

I'm proposing that as this is a team, we race courses that gives everyone an interest rather than ones where we know who will win from the off and it just becomes an iTT.

I don't expect to win an CC race ... I'll probably get dropped on any punchy climb over 60 seconds. For the little punchy climbs, like the aqueduct, I may hang on but I'd be totally in the red and would have nothing left. On a pan flat course, i may get to contest a sprint with everyone else, but I wouldn't expect to beat Tim, Mike, Pete, Bram

This isn't about winning ... it's about having a blast and having fun. I don't care who wins, but I do care if someone is dropped in the first 5 minutes and then has to ride around on their own for 45 minutes. But maybe that's just me ... I prefer to be inclusive

 

[<Tommy>]

I do apologise in advance, Tommy. Perhaps you had some early Friday cocktails again but it all really makes you sound like a petty w4nker mate.

I propose that you and Carl either sort this out via DM or a boxing ring. That's it.

@Moderators, can I please ask that this is cleaned up? Not sure what the rules are.

I’m sure it is a little petty. In fact very petty. This is only virtual racing. Believe me or don’t but none of this makes me in the slightest angry. I just find it all tragic. The fact I’m in this argument equally so…

But I’d question your motives if you think calling someone a w4nker is going to help.

This is clearly not one sided and it’s clearly very divisive. But I’m not sure you’re the best referee.

As I already suggested. If Carl wants to continue we can do it away from the group. But I won’t be bullied or insulted into stopping calling people out when I think they’re pulling a fast one.

 

[Whorty]

I do apologise in advance, Tommy. Perhaps you had some early Friday cocktails again but it all really makes you sound like a petty w4nker mate.

I propose that you and Carl either sort this out via DM or a boxing ring. That's it.

@Moderators, can I please ask that this is cleaned up? Not sure what the rules are.

Pete - it's quite simple. Tommy stops calling me a sandbagger and accusing me of cheating, and I'll ignore him. But I don't see why I should sit here and take the cr@p.

 

[Peter Salt]

Agreed then - carry on via DMs. Thank you.

 

[Whorty]

But I won’t be bullied or insulted into stopping calling people out when I think they’re pulling a fast one.

So you're saying you won't be stopped from trying to bully others just because you think you have a right to tell others what to do?

You do get the irony here don't you ... you're not being bullied. You are the bully.