Zwift Chat

[Whorty]

That's why we call them Wranking points, coz they're really worthless apart from intimidation value when people look up who they're racing against

 

[steverob]

The reason @Joffey is higher than say me, is because he's still in D (both in ZwiftPower and Category Enforcement) so is able to enter races where he's likely to have a good chance at winning and his ranking does get boosted when he does so. Whereas as a mid-C, most of my races I don't threaten the leaders so my rank stays fairly stable, apart from the two I mentioned further upthread which I was only racing at 80-90% for and I lost almost 50 points from.

 

[Randyberlin]

thinking out loud and very negatively , people who now do all they can to keep winning ( apart from pedal harder )will be looking at all these changes and already be thinking of ways round any new system , its just the way some people are
any system will have loopholes for people trying to find them , I personally think it ought to be point promotion coupled with some sort of flagging system
say if everyone started with the same points in the season - you win , you get some points of the people you beat , you lose points to people who beat you . if you lose points 'on purpose' so you can race people with roughly the same points then in an important race you start winning everything , an exclamation mark to start with to know you are being watched , two strikes and your results are scrubbed
said it before but rgt does it quite well , you still get some who race round a course at 13w/kg but they are ignored as faulty equipment or named and shamed
I like it as you can race where you want , race in a lower race and you will win nothing for coming first with the chance that someone will steal a load of points for beating you , race in a higher race and you lose nothing for coming last with the incentive of beating someone and increasing points , then in a series everyone is in the right place with the worry of being flagged if all of a sudden they feel a lot better

Brilliant idea Mr. Bassett. But I'm going to cheat on a race against Chris Froome in Bkool today. Then I'll be on the talk show circuit and book deals and the wealth and chicks will follow. It will be totally worth it.

 

[alex_cycles]

The reason @Joffey is higher than say me, is because he's still in D (both in ZwiftPower and Category Enforcement) so is able to enter races where he's likely to have a good chance at winning and his ranking does get boosted when he does so. Whereas as a mid-C, most of my races I don't threaten the leaders so my rank stays fairly stable, apart from the two I mentioned further upthread which I was only racing at 80-90% for and I lost almost 50 points from.

Yeah I lost 30 points in my piss-poor TT effort this morning (I noticed that Lyndsay Harper took bronze in B with nearly 2 minutes faster than me).
Probably lose a few more tomorrow, but it will be interesting to see how I do.

But looking at this week's ZRL race, the rankings do look "about right". I was ahead of all the silvers and most of the gold 3s ranked lower than me. I beat a couple with slightly higher rankings and got a small improvement +6.98

But then you get to the point Tommy's making about race type. I think that's a really difficult one to solve without having separate ranking systems for different kinds of races.

 

[JuhaL]

Brilliant idea Mr. Bassett. But I'm going to cheat on a race against Chris Froome in Bkool today. Then I'll be on the talk show circuit and book deals and the wealth and chicks will follow. It will be totally worth it.

You better be careful that same thing doesn't happen to you virtually what happen to Chris Froome few years ago irl for cheating (doping). Some spectator throw urine on his face, that's what Froome claimed.

 

[alex_cycles]

You better be careful that same thing doesn't happen to you virtually what happen to Chris Froome few years ago irl for cheating (doping). Some spectator throw urine on his face, that's what Froome claimed.

He was taking the piss

 

[Norry1]

But then you get to the point Tommy's making about race type. I think that's a really difficult one to solve without having separate ranking systems for different kinds of races.

Yep. It is like the British Cycling system which is all points based. If you want to do well you enter the kind of race that suits you. Get enough points and you get promoted say from Cat 4 to Cat 3. You will then likely struggle even more in the races that don't suit you.

Zwift tends to be a bit different that rael life as Zwift racers often do all sorts of races but get p#ssed off when they can't get near the pointy end of races that don't suit their rider type .

 

[DCLane]

I know where I belong ... at the bottom

That's possibly because I'm used to multi-day long distance events and a 20-60 minute Zwift race just doesn't fit into that. But then neither does my track racing, which is 2-5 minutes at the other end of the scale.

It also explains why in the ZRL races I get dropped early but then make up places as others blow up whilst I can sustain a set level of power for a looooong time.

 

[alex_cycles]

That's probably why in the ZRL races I get dropped early but then make up places as others blow up whilst I can sustain a set level of power for a looooong time.

Someone just volunteered for ALL OF THE TTTs

 

[Peter Salt]

You better be careful that same thing doesn't happen to you virtually what happen to Chris Froome few years ago irl for cheating (doping). Some spectator throw urine on his face, that's what Froome claimed.

As a complete sidenote: Some species of male goats piss on their faces to be more attractive to the ladies

 

[JuhaL]

As a complete sidenote: Some species of male goats piss on their faces to be more attractive to the ladies

Some sort of extension of ego I guess.

 

[<Tommy>]

Yep. It is like the British Cycling system which is all points based. If you want to do well you enter the kind of race that suits you. Get enough points and you get promoted say from Cat 4 to Cat 3. You will then likely struggle even more in the races that don't suit you.

Zwift tends to be a bit different that rael life as Zwift racers often do all sorts of races but get p#ssed off when they can't get near the pointy end of races that don't suit their rider type .

It’s not just British cycling though is it. It’s every ranking system in every sport. Imagine if golf was ranked on drive length. Or snooker ranked on average break size. That the zwift equivalent at present. Points isn’t perfect but it’s much more transparent.

 

[Legs]

I'm doing the Zwift TT Club again tonight - don't have the time to be able to do the TTT, unfortunately.

I looked at your race this morning, @alex_cycles , and did some Strava-stalking on the winner, because I thought it unusual that a 46-year-old woman would turn out 318W at 72.5kg. Even more unusually, her average cadence was just 61rpm.

 

[alex_cycles]

I'm doing the Zwift TT Club again tonight - don't have the time to be able to do the TTT, unfortunately.

I looked at your race this morning, @alex_cycles , and did some Strava-stalking on the winner, because I thought it unusual that a 46-year-old woman would turn out 318W at 72.5kg. Even more unusually, her average cadence was just 61rpm.

She did it twice this week as well. First one must have been a recon race at ONLY 4.2 W/kg for 15 minutes

It's not a bad course. I did a 10k warmup as usual, but somehow the legs weren't on fire today. Was a bit cold in the garage. 5.8°C when I started but went up a degree while I was in there.

 

[DCLane]

Yep. It is like the British Cycling system which is all points based. If you want to do well you enter the kind of race that suits you. Get enough points and you get promoted say from Cat 4 to Cat 3. You will then likely struggle even more in the races that don't suit you.

Zwift tends to be a bit different that rael life as Zwift racers often do all sorts of races but get p#ssed off when they can't get near the pointy end of races that don't suit their rider type .

The daft thing is that I'm a 3rd Cat under British Cycling - https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/points?person_id=235331&year=2022&d=4 - and will have some points if Derby track league actually add their results in as promised.

But on Zwift I'm bottom of the bottom.

Go figure ...

Oh, and does anyone else have a race licence?