Zwift Chat

[Whorty]

It's an interesting consideration. Someone's 5-min, or 2-min power might be off the chart, but what if that was achieved as part of a race where the whole event took 5 or 2 minutes?

It does ... that's the Saturday Tiny races ... 7-8 minutes per race ... full on effort with a massive sprint at the end. You should try them .. loads of fun.

 

[alex_cycles]

It does ... that's the Saturday Tiny races ... 7-8 minutes per race ... full on effort with a massive sprint at the end. You should try them .. loads of fun.

He's got a double-date with Bologna this week

 

[Whorty]

If they could make it that higher categories also bag more points, I can see this system working. If you like winning races you get upgraded to a more difficult category. If you like ranking, you will get a better fitness chasing those Points.

Ofcourse winning a race is fun but I would like to see my name on top of that list more I think. I'm coming for you Bridgy.

That's the catch with the Zwift ranking points ... I've joined the Tiny series and out sprint a few people who had rankings in the low 200's when I was over 350 ... so I gained about 100 ranking points over 2 Saturdays.

So I'm ranked higher than you now ... yet if you could race those same races you'd be smashing me out the park ....

The ranking is a nice little addition to the game if you can find races that suit, but they're not really indicative of the true strength of the rider. It's just a nice little bit of willy waving, especially in our ZRL league

 

[alex_cycles]

That's the catch with the Zwift ranking points ... I've joined the Tiny series and out sprint a few people who had rankings in the low 200's when I was over 350 ... so I gained about 100 ranking points over 2 Saturdays.

Same for me with a couple of punchy little climbs. Particularly when you could still snipe

So I'm ranked higher than you now ... yet if you could race those same races you'd be smashing me out the park ....

The ranking is a nice little addition to the game if you can find races that suit, but they're not really indicative of the true strength of the rider. It's just a nice little bit of willy waving, especially in our ZRL league

In that case they should call them "ranking points" the way that Jonathan Ross would say "ranking"

 

[<Tommy>]

yeah I agree

 

[Legs]

OTOH, a disadvantage of the race ranking system is that, if you’re not consistently racing against fields of similar strengths from week to week, it can be difficult to gauge whether you’re improving or not, or whether the field is just getting weaker/stronger. That’s why I like using time trials and critical power metrics to measure my fitness.

 

[<Tommy>]

I work on my 1-5 minute power ..... think of me as the Usain Bolt of the team when others are the Mo Farah ... same sport, different game

If all races were on flat courses, lasting 10 minutes, then yeah I'm sure I'd be in B cat

In fact, in our little CC race last year on the pan flat Feugo, I won (yes, I know technically the video shows Michael beating me in the sprint ) ... so I'm not surprised my 1-5 minute power compares well with most of the rest of the CC teams, both B and C.

Carl you raced with us in the B team and your stats shot over the cat boundary. There’s nothing in your recent race results that suggest the same wouldn’t happen now. Just calling it how it is I’m afraid… take offence if you want but it’s not meant to offend. But if the suit fits…

 

[<Tommy>]

OTOH, a disadvantage of the race ranking system is that, if you’re not consistently racing against fields of similar strengths from week to week, it can be difficult to gauge whether you’re improving or not, or whether the field is just getting weaker/stronger. That’s why I like using time trials and critical power metrics to measure my fitness.

True, maybe do both?

 

[Whorty]

Carl you raced with us in the B team and your stats shot over the cat boundary. There’s nothing in your recent race results that suggest the same wouldn’t happen now. Just calling it how it is I’m afraid… take offence if you want but it’s not meant to offend. But if the suit fits…

Maybe, maybe not .... injury is holding me back at the moment. Still can't walk. Off to physio tomorrow for scan and assessment to see what the damage is.

But re the cats ... I'm not pushing anywhere near B numbers and I'm busting a gut each race. Therefore it's perfectly acceptable to stay in C cat. If I was holding back, then I'd agree I should upgrade but there is no holding back ... I'm just not capable of hitting B numbers, so in C I'll stay until I can or the system changes

 

[alex_cycles]

Maybe, maybe not .... injury is holding me back at the moment. Still can't walk. Off to physio tomorrow for scan and assessment to see what the damage is.

But re the cats ... I'm not pushing anywhere near B numbers and I'm busting a gut each race. Therefore it's perfectly acceptable to stay in C cat. If I was holding back, then I'd agree I should upgrade but there is no holding back ... I'm just not capable of hitting B numbers, so in C I'll stay until I can or the system changes

Yeah we need you. You averaged 58.2 points per "points race" for us, next best was 29.5 next after that was 15.4.
The ONLY upside if you went up would be one less person in front of me up Titan's Grove , but that's not much.

 

[<Tommy>]

Maybe, maybe not .... injury is holding me back at the moment. Still can't walk. Off to physio tomorrow for scan and assessment to see what the damage is.

But re the cats ... I'm not pushing anywhere near B numbers and I'm busting a gut each race. Therefore it's perfectly acceptable to stay in C cat. If I was holding back, then I'd agree I should upgrade but there is no holding back ... I'm just not capable of hitting B numbers, so in C I'll stay until I can or the system changes

Like I said mate I’m trying to offend you. I’m just saying what I’d say if you were a random and I was looking at your stats as a neutral. Lots of people here would probably think the same of a random but maybe they don’t want to offend on here.

You do what you want though. Zwift is full of people in your position who aren’t being forced to upgrade so they don’t, and often saying the same thing - “I’ll upgrade when I’m forced to”, or words to that effect…whatever floats your boat I guess.

All I hope is zwift fill the holes in the system soon so we don’t have to keep on having these conversations…

 

[Whorty]

Yeah we need you. You averaged 58.2 points per "points race" for us, next best was 29.5 next after that was 15.4.
The ONLY upside if you went up would be one less person in front of me up Titan's Grove , but that's not much.

Let's hope the dozen or so guys in the league who beat me every week self upgrade to B, I'll do even better next round

 

[<Tommy>]

Let's hope the dozen or so guys in the league who beat me every week self upgrade to B, I'll do even better next round

They don’t though do they. Even though they know the truth about the situation they’re in. It goes back to my original coining of a certain phrase. It’s tragic. But in the end you have to tell yourself that it’s their choice and a reflection of where they’re at as people. And then it’s easy to make peace with because there’s much more important things in life.

 

[alex_cycles]

Let's hope the dozen or so guys in the league who beat me every week self upgrade to B, I'll do even better next round

That was me ONCE - but it took that nice Volcano to make it happen.

This makes me laugh on ZP though, when I look at my profile. Victim number 4.
Totally distorted version of the truth, but still. I'll take it...

 

[Peter Salt]

He's got a double-date with Bologna this week

What do you mean  I have a double-date? You lot signed up as well. You're not going to just leave me, right?