Zwift Chat

[Norry1]

I managed to climb it 'virtually' yesterday (although the trainer could only simulate up to 25% and not the real 30%), but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have made it in real life - riding that slowly I think I'd have fallen off, then the poor state of the roads, other traffic, the gradient of the bike etc. but, the more I practice I guess the stronger I'll get so if I am ever able to try some of these rides in real life I'll at least give myself a chance

I intend to do all of Simon Warren's 100 Greatest Climbs (all 200 of them ) Done quite a few and it makes an entertaining day planning how to bag a few in one ride.

 

[Marino.g]

I intend to do all of Simon Warren's 100 Greatest Climbs (all 200 of them ) Done quite a few and it makes an entertaining day planning how to bag a few in one ride.

Is Crowcombe Combe listed as it’s close to me and I’ve thought about doing it this week but then went up it in the car yesterday and it’s frightening steep right at the end so now I’m in two minds whether I will or not!

 

[mjd1988]

Is Crowcombe Combe listed as it’s close to me and I’ve thought about doing it this week but then went up it in the car yesterday and it’s frightening steep right at the end so now I’m in two minds whether I will or not!

Just looked that up. 1.2 km at average 15% with 25% summit finish. Better you than me!

Only 48 times needed to Everest it. Just so you know!

 

[Norry1]

Is Crowcombe Combe listed as it’s close to me and I’ve thought about doing it this week but then went up it in the car yesterday and it’s frightening steep right at the end so now I’m in two minds whether I will or not!

Yes - it is number 3 and scores 8/10

 

[Whorty]

I intend to do all of Simon Warren's 100 Greatest Climbs (all 200 of them ) Done quite a few and it makes an entertaining day planning how to bag a few in one ride.

Maybe one day I'll have a chance to ride a few in real life, but for now I'll have to stick to the virtual versions (with next to zero risk of doing a @bobinski !)

 

[tallliman]

I think for me it’s inconclusive. I’ve had two turbo’s with very little if any lateral moment. When I used the Wattbike atom I got quite bad knee pain. Turned out I have a problem with the cartilage in one my knees. Maybe the bike brought it to the surface. I now own a Tacx turbo bike and so far I’ve had no knee pain apart from the odd ache which doesn’t seem out of the ordinary for me. The Wattbike atom had other things that may have caused issues. The Q factor (the distance between the peddles basically) was noticeably wider than a standard Q factor on a road bike. And also the resistance changes were sometimes unpredictable and very severe (you could be spinning freely to suddenly feel like you’d hit a field of treacle within the space of a second and with no warning), which was quite jarring on the knees. So it’s hard for me to say for sure if it is the lack of lateral movement itself that bought the problem to the surface. I would say that remaining stationary for long periods, not changing your position on the bike, not standing up etc, not changing cadence and spinning at a higher cadence. These things can cause issues generally. Lack of side to side movement? I’m just not sure. Try to compensate for it in other ways and see if it helps?

Thanks, I wonder if its then more the lack of change in position when on the turbo than the lack of movement.

 

[CXRAndy]

It is a bonkers hill. I've done it on bike, motorbike and car - and they are all hard. Bikers (motor) were falling off on the hairpin near the top when I did it that way. In the rain, going down the other side (Wrynose) was almost as hard.

I had the same worrying feeling going up the Stelvio on a motorcycle, the fall of the road on the bends was too far to put a foot down in case I had to stop mid corner for traffic. I adopted the method of rolling fast into the corner pulling the clutch in, let the momentum carry the bike through the tight part of the bend, drop clutch and accelerate. Coming down got the brakes extremely hot, my mate boiled his back brake fluid, lost his rear brake. Due to volume of vehicles, cyclists etc there was no time slow down or get into a natural rhythm

 

[<Tommy>]

Thanks, I wonder if its then more the lack of change in position when on the turbo than the lack of movement.

I definitely don’t think you can rule that out. So just try and stand up when you remember or set a timer if you struggle to remember. I like to move forward slightly on the saddle sometimes. Also small bounces up and down relieve pressure and help blood flow I think, but I don’t have any science to back it up. Also try and look at the intensity of your indoor rides compared to outside rides. I rarely put as much power out for as long a duration outside relative to inside. That’s added fatigue on the knees. Good luck!

 

[<Tommy>]

Is Crowcombe Combe listed as it’s close to me and I’ve thought about doing it this week but then went up it in the car yesterday and it’s frightening steep right at the end so now I’m in two minds whether I will or not!

I think it’ll come down to gearing. Not saying it’s easy even in the right gear! But it’s a lot more manageable when you can spin rather than grinding your way up.

 

[CXRAndy]

Is Crowcombe Combe listed as it’s close to me and I’ve thought about doing it this week but then went up it in the car yesterday and it’s frightening steep right at the end so now I’m in two minds whether I will or not!

https://veloviewer.com/segment/4028258/Crowcombe+Hill

 

[IrishAl]

Please answer these 3 questions as honestly and unbiased as possible.

Did the ZsunR team/riders choose A or B:

A) Drop wkg to lowest possible (above 0) to avoid supertucking and catching DBR on the downhill?
B) Continue to do random 4wkg+ surges as to stay with (or pass) DBR riders on the downhill?

A) Drop wkg enough to avoid drafting DBR on the flat section (starting at 30.5 km) (i.e. drop back at least 2 seconds (25m rule))?
B) Continue to do random 4-8wkg surges as to stay with/catch DBR riders after that?

A) Start to yield/give way when possible (using the above) at 29.5km when the last DBR rider passes?
B) Start to yield only after being told to "get lost" and "25m rule" at 30.8km (and not adhering to the 25m rule before at 31.4km)?

I know in the heat of the moment, bad/wrong decisions are made (ask Nils Eekhoff), but I think that goes for other teams as well, so I'm not blaming ZsunR any more than any other team. I just found it funny that you call other teams names because they (or one of their riders) were not adhering to the rules, but is OK with your "own" team not adhering either.

As to who cares, those reporting other teams/riders must care, right? Maybe other teams up/down the road care too, if they knew a team was drafting where it shouldn't be?

I have 100s of Zwift videos on my YouTube showing how easy it is to get dropped by a group, if you want to or (in my case) not.
It can be done in less than 5 seconds, and even faster if you enter the pairing screen for a second, which I accidentally did in last night's group ride.

I'm sure this stuff happens in lots of other WTRL TTTs too, but this particular DBR stream is the only WTRL recording I've watched, as it was posted on the DBR Facebook page back on May 7th.

I’m sure this has been done to death but I’m not too sure what ZSunR could have done differently in this particular case - DBR passed and immediately took the foot off the gas and went into supertuck so the two teams intermixed on the descent.

the WTRL rules have changed somewhat in recent weeks. Previously they Had the rule that The team that overtakes (eg DBR) should be given 25 metres (as you see in the clip he asked zsunr to provide). If the team behind (ZSunR) then catches and over takes DBR then that’s game over for DBR - they cannot come around again and must sit behind.

anyway it’s done. On the other hand I did message PSBR and they denied any wrong doing and started to throw mud the other direction 😀

 

[BurningLegs]

I did message PSBR and they denied any wrong doing and started to throw mud the other direction 😀

One of the joys of the internet, hey!

 

[IrishAl]

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Del we might have to factor in climatic conditions into the time gaps if the South of England chaps start to roll out 29oC as an excuse for poor performance 😂

 

[IrishAl]

I know we've already got the TTT lined up for Wednesday, but it looks like* the Bolt Racing Team have two new leagues starting this week - and as they are "best 6 results of 8 races", there's no worry about missing out on week 1. Would anyone on here be interested in trying these out?

On Wednesday's at 19:35 they do a Time Trial league (first week it's 2 laps of Watopia Hilly) and on Thursday's at 20:20 they do a Criterium Race league (first week is 3 laps of Seaside Sprint - not clear if there's bonus points on the primes though or if it's just first to the finish). Race results are on ZwiftPower as normal, but they host the league tables on their own website, including one for the all important Team points competition that we CycleChatters love!

* - I say "looks like" because they've still got the old league tables up from their current series that ended this week, but the events are still scheduled to go ahead next week, meaning it logically should be the first race of a new series - 90% of their previous series have started the week after the last one finished, so I think I'm on safe ground there.

I’d be up for some Weds league series action. I could even pull on the CycleChat jersey if the offer is good enough.
I’ll have the Team IRL race every Monday, and I’ve been racing the 3R volcano flat race on fridays at 17;05 as it suits having just finished work.

 

[Spartak]

Would have liked to race the Team IRL race tonight but working

@IrishAl when does the new Team IRL league start...?