Zwift Chat

[Brendan Parker]

Yesterday I managed a second place which really cheered me up! However, I don't really understand how I could've exceeded the criteria for D but not been upgraded or dq'd? I'm a little new to using zwiftpower!

https://www.zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=759091 if it helps.
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Thomas, had a quick look and if you click the tab that shows your 95% of 20min power it shows Infinite W/kg and looking on the forum this is caused by "Heart rate and weight are private / user didn't click checkbox on registration" maybe go into your settings and try to change these.

 

[<Tommy>]

First team over the line? So unless anyway says otherwise it's a race from the off .. team secret, that's what we'll be doing

I’m starting to remember why @IrishAl ‘s idea about using an organised race to piggy back was such a good one. Depending on how long the lead in is before the official segment it makes it harder to use the official segment to workout handicap times. Where as if you use a race it’s easier to measure time.

It’s not a big problem though in the sense that that there’s is only 4(?) teams. So we are going to know the finishing order without much trouble. And this race is about finishing order rather than times. Just makes it tougher to work out handcaps

 

[Del C]

So flat out from start of the meet up, to the end of the route banner. Or the line at the end of the meet up?

Times as follows for the teams:

D @ 19:00
C @ 19:03
B @ 19:06
A @ 19:09

So, D goes as Meet Up starts at 19:00, then C await on line for 3 minutes at 19:03, etc. Remember teams C, B and A to stop pedalling at least 20 seconds before the Meet Up start time, otherwise you'll risk starting to move before your start time.

If you want to keep spinning go to the pairing screen (press A for laptop or menu and pair for ATV users) then you can spin but your avatar will not move. Stop pedalling 20 seconds before you exit the pairing screen to make sure you don't move when you return to the line.

I've checked the segment for timing against one of @bridgy 's Meet Up races last December. It starts at the start/finish arch across the road and should be about 0.5 mile after the Meet Up spawn point. The segment ends at the start/finish arch as well and that was about 0.1 mile before the Meet Up end banner last time. Remember it's this segment:

https://www.strava.com/segments/12118421?filter=overall

The 0.5 mile lead-in does create a bit of conflict between using the segment for timing and the rules we agreed which is to take the time of the 3rd fastest rider across the line. Normally, we used to say roll to the start line and then race, but you really want to be in TTT formation when you cross the start line so I'd recommend to go hard from the start but use the first 0.5 mile to make sure you're grouped up and haven't dropped anyone and then we start timing from the arch. Similarly, I'd ride hard to the end of Meet Up banner to make sure you get the best finishing time, rather than easing off at the arch. They're not far apart so that shouldn't be too tough an ask.

Hopefully, the finishing order will be clear on screen and we won't end up having to trawl through Strava times to act as a final arbiter of who finished where, but that's the Meet Up limitation we've always had to work around.

Make sure you join the correct Discord group otherwise you'll be riding in the completely wrong race with completely inappropriate tactics. And enjoy!

 

[<Tommy>]

“The 0.5 mile lead-in does create a bit of conflict between using the segment for timing and the rules we agreed which is to take the time of the 3rd fastest rider across the line. Normally, we used to say roll to the start line and then race, but you really want to be in TTT formation when you cross the start line so I'd recommend to go hard from the start”

I think this is crucial. Because personally I don’t think it’s the fastest time that wins is it. It’s first across the line. So covering that first bit as quick as possible give you the best chance of being first across the line.

And just try not to think about....

See you tonight chaps !

 

[Brendan Parker]

Make sure you join the correct Discord group otherwise you'll be riding in the completely wrong race with completely inappropriate tactics.

great idea @Del C

 

[bobinski]

Make sure you join the correct Discord group otherwise you'll be riding in the completely wrong race with completely inappropriate tactics. And enjoy!

ummhh...

(thinks about joining A team discord and messing with their tactics)

 

[Del C]

“The 0.5 mile lead-in does create a bit of conflict between using the segment for timing and the rules we agreed which is to take the time of the 3rd fastest rider across the line. Normally, we used to say roll to the start line and then race, but you really want to be in TTT formation when you cross the start line so I'd recommend to go hard from the start”

I think this is crucial. Because personally I don’t think it’s the fastest time that wins is it. It’s first across the line. So covering that first bit as quick as possible give you the best chance of being first across the line.

I agree.

The more I think about this, I think the only way this works is we agree its actually FIRST across the line, but if there's any uncertainty (eg, dead heat, couldn't see clearly or just being an argumentative bastard on Cyclechat ) then the decision is made on the time of the 3rd fastest rider according to the segment. That acts as a tie-breaker and encourages the team to work together to the line.

Is everyone ok with that?

 

[bridgy]

ummhh...

(thinks about joining A team discord and messing with their tactics)

Ah, but we have a foolproof defence for this - we don't have any tactics

 

[bobinski]

Ah, but we have a foolproof defence for this - we don't have any tactics

😄
I see, just relying on raw POWER!!!

 

[Norry1]

I agree.

The more I think about this, I think the only way this works is we agree its actually FIRST across the line, but if there's any uncertainty (eg, dead heat, couldn't see clearly or just being an argumentative bastard on Cyclechat ) then the decision is made on the time of the 3rd fastest rider according to the segment. That acts as a tie-breaker and encourages the team to work together to the line.

Is everyone ok with that?

Yep

 

[steverob]

I agree.

The more I think about this, I think the only way this works is we agree its actually FIRST across the line, but if there's any uncertainty (eg, dead heat, couldn't see clearly or just being an argumentative bastard on Cyclechat ) then the decision is made on the time of the 3rd fastest rider according to the segment. That acts as a tie-breaker and encourages the team to work together to the line.

Is everyone ok with that?

Hmmmm. I'd still like to see third in the team across the line being used, otherwise with a few KM to go, you might as well just send your best rider out on a long solo sprint to the finish.

Anyway, I don't honestly think the finish is going to come down to split seconds on the line. Even if two groups are fairly close, I think there'll still be enough of a gap for people to see differences with the naked eye, while other groups might be minutes apart.

And probably at least one person in each team will be video capturing it for YouTube (I will for my group), so we can always use that for instant replays!

 

[Norry1]

Been Zwifting occasionally when work prevents me going outside and have started doing some of the Crit races in D cat on the basis of my zwift power rankings (are these different to the zwift categories?).

Yesterday I managed a second place which really cheered me up! However, I don't really understand how I could've exceeded the criteria for D but not been upgraded or dq'd? I'm a little new to using zwiftpower!

https://www.zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=759091 if it helps.

Because you didn't exceed the criteria.

The limit for D is an FTP of 2.49 w/kg. For the purposes of Zwift and Zwiftpower, FTP is calculated at .95 x 20 minute power.

You had a 20 minute power of 2.6w/kg so an FTP of .95 x 2.6 = 2.47 w/kg.

 

[<Tommy>]

Ah, but we have a foolproof defence for this - we don't have any tactics

Ssshhh without that tactic we have nothing!

Hmmmm. I'd still like to see third in the team across the line being used, otherwise with a few KM to go, you might as well just send your best rider out on a long solo sprint to the finish.

Anyway, I don't honestly think the finish is going to come down to split seconds on the line. Even if two groups are fairly close, I think there'll still be enough of a gap for people to see differences with the naked eye, while other groups might be minutes apart.

And probably at least one person in each team will be video capturing it for YouTube (I will for my group), so we can always use that for instant replays!

When I said first across the line I meant first team Steve. I agree it’s the third member of each team whose time actually counts.

But because of the way this will be recorded. The times only really matter with regards to trying to work out fair handicaps. It’s annoying but because the segment doesn’t cover the whole race we can only use the time as an indicator.

There’s another question as well though. If two teams come together near the end, ie with under a km to go. Does the team being overtaken still have to give position to the team overtaking?

 

[<Tommy>]

obviously all this is trial and error but I really think the idea of piggy backing an organised race really makes the timing more clear at the end.

 

[Joffey]

There’s another question as well though. If two teams come together near the end, ie with under a km to go. Does the team being overtaken still have to give position to the team overtaking?

Never gonna happen, it'll be an all out drag race to the end