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[peterob]

Here's a question for the clever bike tech bods on and triggered from a 'debate' on facebook at the moment ... the debate (for the god knows how many times!) is around the accuracy of power pedals vs the NEO (actually the 2T in this case). The poster has shown that his NEO is reporting power quite a bit lower than the pedals and so he's using the pedals as power on Zwift.

I think I'm correct in saying some power will be lost to the drive chain, so seeing the NEO report lower numbers compared to pedals is not that surprising and both power figures are (probably) correct, kind of.

Question is, why would using the pedals be wrong? Why is it not ok to use the NEO for resistance and the pedals for power? Assuming the rider also uses the pedals outside, and the pedals are accurate, why should someone use a power source that shows a lower figure?

Whenever this is brought up on FB there are always those that argue that the lower power should be used because ... well, I don't know really as there is no real evidence that the pedals are more or less accurate than the NEO.

I'd have thought it's better for the rider, if they use the same pedals outside, to use the pedals for indoor riding too. Yes, No?

Not meant to be an argument post, just interested why the assumption seems to be that the lower number is always the more accurate, or at least the one to use.

Up until this week I've been using my pedals to record power on Zwift, so that I have the consistency when comparing with outdoor rides. But now that I have a dedicated turbo bike, I'll be using the trainer (KickR) power.

It'll be interesting to see how I compare. I won't know whether to attribute any decrease to the change of PM or actual lack of power!

 

[IrishAl]

Here's a question for the clever bike tech bods on and triggered from a 'debate' on facebook at the moment ... the debate (for the god knows how many times!) is around the accuracy of power pedals vs the NEO (actually the 2T in this case). The poster has shown that his NEO is reporting power quite a bit lower than the pedals and so he's using the pedals as power on Zwift.

I think I'm correct in saying some power will be lost to the drive chain, so seeing the NEO report lower numbers compared to pedals is not that surprising and both power figures are (probably) correct, kind of.

Question is, why would using the pedals be wrong? Why is it not ok to use the NEO for resistance and the pedals for power? Assuming the rider also uses the pedals outside, and the pedals are accurate, why should someone use a power source that shows a lower figure?

Whenever this is brought up on FB there are always those that argue that the lower power should be used because ... well, I don't know really as there is no real evidence that the pedals are more or less accurate than the NEO.

I'd have thought it's better for the rider, if they use the same pedals outside, to use the pedals for indoor riding too. Yes, No?

Not meant to be an argument post, just interested why the assumption seems to be that the lower number is always the more accurate, or at least the one to use.

I moved to using the neo2 for power source over the assiomas. I took a 2-3% reduction in recorded powe which I put down to drivetrain losses and a small bit of accuracy of each device. It is a pain as I would use the assioma on outdoor time trials, whereas majority of my workouts are on Zwift. This means a bit of conversion as I work out my indoor neo2 FTP Assioma FTP. I still do the occasional dual recording which I upload to Zwiftpower.

why? probably 2 main reasons. One I guess I’ve succumbed to that peer pressure of racers who feel it is fairer to race on the lower power source and the Neo 2 is meant to be very accurate, and two, I bought an expensive indoor trainer and want to get my money’s worth .

 

[IrishAl]

Team Time Trial day
I’ve a pen interesting day ahead. I’m racing in the 1940BST WTRL Team time trial In the Frappe class team IRL Jalapeños team. We have a decent squad but I fear we won’t have enough to make the top 20 such is the high standard in the class.
Also at 1815 I’m riding support car for my espresso team, the Team IRL NagaBOMBs in their premier league debut and only 2nd week of racing. The team placed 2nd overall last week to qualify for the PL after a bit of confusion (on the wtrl side) about their starting time. my job is to call the rotation order, to keep an eye on the live ZCL broadcast and Zwift for split times to the other teams. Looking forward to this more than racing.

good luck to the others racing tonight 🆙🆙🆙

 

[Del C]

Team Time Trial day
I’ve a pen interesting day ahead. I’m racing in the 1940BST WTRL Team time trial In the Frappe class team IRL Jalapeños team. We have a decent squad but I fear we won’t have enough to make the top 20 such is the high standard in the class.
Also at 1815 I’m riding support car for my espresso team, the Team IRL NagaBOMBs in their premier league debut and only 2nd week of racing. The team placed 2nd overall last week to qualify for the PL after a bit of confusion (on the wtrl side) about their starting time. my job is to call the rotation order, to keep an eye on the live ZCL broadcast and Zwift for split times to the other teams. Looking forward to this more than racing.

good luck to the others racing tonight 🆙🆙🆙

Sounds like you've got a full evening ahead of you Al.

Only the 3rd week out for me and the first two weeks have been painful, but fun! I'm looking forward to seeing if I can improve my performance tonight as I've not made it to the line with the team so far. Sticky draft victim in the first week and just didn't make it to the top of the volcano last week. Tonight's going to be flat and fast on the Volcano flat, but that means the little bumps will be far more difficult than you expect!

I'm off at 18.05 in the Frappe class with WTRL Wanderers. We've placed around 112/206 and 92/197 in the 2 weeks I've been riding. It's a tough class, so you're doing well placing as high as that! Chapeau!!

The DS role you're playing of the NagaBOMBs sounds interesting. How do you use Zwift for the split times. Do you have to register to ride the race to be able to watch it on Zwift and then just follow one of your team, or is there some other way? Have you taken up the Zwift Insider method of trying to get the team to ride in a line? I was assuming so as you said you have to call the rotations? Is that working well, because all the teams I've seen, ourselves and others that we've overtaken or been overtaken by, seems to just be riding as a group.

Good luck to you tonight and to all the other CC guys involved in the TTT.

 

[bobinski]

Del, fwiw our DS registered to ride with our group and then used the helicopter view to follow the riders.

 

[Del C]

Del, fwiw our DS registered to ride with our group and then used the helicopter view to follow the riders.

Did that work well?

Somebody else suggested that to me recently, but I can't remember who. Probably you, I guess!

 

[Del C]

Well I could have kept this a secret, but as I know how distressed @Aleman was I don't think it would be fair.

A small technical hitch has stopped us using the Red Beer and Bike jersey this Friday, so if the BLUE team wants to ride in RED and keep your Ale consuming team mate on top form, then it's all yours! 🍻

 

[bobinski]

Did that work well?

Somebody else suggested that to me recently, but I can't remember who. Probably you, I guess!

it seemed to work for him but he’s had a lot of practice.

 

[mjd1988]

Sounds like you've got a full evening ahead of you Al.

Only the 3rd week out for me and the first two weeks have been painful, but fun! I'm looking forward to seeing if I can improve my performance tonight as I've not made it to the line with the team so far. Sticky draft victim in the first week and just didn't make it to the top of the volcano last week. Tonight's going to be flat and fast on the Volcano flat, but that means the little bumps will be far more difficult than you expect!

I'm off at 18.05 in the Frappe class with WTRL Wanderers. We've placed around 112/206 and 92/197 in the 2 weeks I've been riding. It's a tough class, so you're doing well placing as high as that! Chapeau!!

The DS role you're playing of the NagaBOMBs sounds interesting. How do you use Zwift for the split times. Do you have to register to ride the race to be able to watch it on Zwift and then just follow one of your team, or is there some other way? Have you taken up the Zwift Insider method of trying to get the team to ride in a line? I was assuming so as you said you have to call the rotations? Is that working well, because all the teams I've seen, ourselves and others that we've overtaken or been overtaken by, seems to just be riding as a group.

Good luck to you tonight and to all the other CC guys involved in the TTT.

Wow I didn't realise how many teams were entered, that is massive

 

[IrishAl]

Sounds like you've got a full evening ahead of you Al.

Only the 3rd week out for me and the first two weeks have been painful, but fun! I'm looking forward to seeing if I can improve my performance tonight as I've not made it to the line with the team so far. Sticky draft victim in the first week and just didn't make it to the top of the volcano last week. Tonight's going to be flat and fast on the Volcano flat, but that means the little bumps will be far more difficult than you expect!

I'm off at 18.05 in the Frappe class with WTRL Wanderers. We've placed around 112/206 and 92/197 in the 2 weeks I've been riding. It's a tough class, so you're doing well placing as high as that! Chapeau!!

The DS role you're playing of the NagaBOMBs sounds interesting. How do you use Zwift for the split times. Do you have to register to ride the race to be able to watch it on Zwift and then just follow one of your team, or is there some other way? Have you taken up the Zwift Insider method of trying to get the team to ride in a line? I was assuming so as you said you have to call the rotations? Is that working well, because all the teams I've seen, ourselves and others that we've overtaken or been overtaken by, seems to just be riding as a group.

Good luck to you tonight and to all the other CC guys involved in the TTT.

The team manager can enter the race as normal but WTRL ask that I adds a (SC - IRL NagaBOMB) tag so they know I’m not worthy. I’ll then use Zwift fan view to see what my team is doing.

For split times I can flick to other riders as well so I’ll jump to the team in front/behind, pick a land mark and watch their time compared to ours. ZCL also broadcast the splits for 10/20/30km live but your are dependant on them showing them regularly and they had issues last week but getting better.

The helicopter view sounds good I didn’t think of that. We do try and ride in a line but that’s easier said than done usually the team blobs or bunches up.

 

[Del C]

Wow I didn't realise how many teams were entered, that is massive

It's a big event.

Here's last week's stats:

 

[mjd1988]

It's a big event.

Here's last week's stats:

View attachment 522175

In my head there was a few hundred people, that's amazing

 

[Joffey]

Well I could have kept this a secret, but as I know how distressed @Aleman was I don't think it would be fair.

A small technical hitch has stopped us using the Red Beer and Bike jersey this Friday, so if the BLUE team wants to ride in RED and keep your Ale consuming team mate on top form, then it's all yours! 🍻

The honourable thing to do Del

 

[Aleman]

A small technical hitch has stopped us using the Red Beer and Bike jersey this Friday, so if the BLUE team wants to ride in RED and keep your Ale consuming team mate on top form, then it's all yours! 🍻

Sir, you are a gent ... of course this all depends on if my team mates, can actually type the BIKEANDBEER code into their respective devices

🍺🍻🍺🍻🍺🍻🍺🍻🥃🤮

 

[bobinski]

It's a big event.

Here's last week's stats:

View attachment 522175

probably why the twitchiness about gdpr (or whatever) from zwift.