Zwift Chat

[<Tommy>]

Carl, isn’t sandbagging when you drop into a lower cat and smash it up ruining it for everyone by riding to the cat limit knowing you can ride beyond that cat limit. That’s my understanding and borne out by a quick look elsewhere. So a B riding in C. ( not an “almost B” 😀) It’s cheating.
Weight doping is also cheating irrespective of whether they stay within cat limits or not coz it affects a race outcome.
I think it’s all fairly straightforward.

You’d think so wouldn’t you...

 

[Milzy]

I am not gonna accuse anybody about cheating in here but i will say who do that they shoot the bullet their own legs. That bullet wound start to hurt when you do irl rides and realize i am not that good after all what i was on Zwift. But it's also true and a fact what @Milzy said some trainer are not so accuracy about power readings. It's hard to point finger with anyone and say you are cheating if the gain comes to inaccurate trainer. Better remember that Zwift doesn't need a speed sensor, Zwift calculate speed from the power. Innacurate and uncalibrated power meter can give good advance.

That's the thing about the pro Zwift leugue which I follow and is very entertaining.
Technology is amazing but I can not in 100 years see E-racing ever been fair. All different trainers with all different power metres. All different internet connections. Guys all around different parts of the globe. No governing body to inspect all the inputs of information. Cameron Jeffres had an internet drop out last time and flew out of the back. So many different varibles it's mind blowing really.

 

[Milzy]

What have I said that implies I need to get a grip?

Do you think constantly attacking me is changing anything?

Just for the record... I’m not angry, I’m not ‘salty’, I am not bitter etc etc etc... and my grip is reasonably strong on a good day.

All I have said is that you are a proven weight cheat and I find you talking about weight loss very ironic. And me, along with lots of the other guys in B. Don’t take your results seriously as a result of it. None of that is my fault I’m afraid.

I’m not trying to cause drama here and I resent the suggestion that I am. It just is what it is. Ive not said it’s a capital crime or you should be taken out and shot... I’ve just said you’re a cheat. Simple really?

I don't take any Zwift results seriously. If your result is better than mine on Monday you can really feel good about yourself and if mines better than yours you can just not take it seriously even though you've been panned fair and square. Win win for you.

 

[JuhaL]

I just wonder why some Zwifters take virtual riding too seriously. Good example is social group rides where is big punch of riders who want to show off and escape from the leaders group, that happens if fence is not active ( still wondering why some grouprides use fence and some doesn't). Leader try control group that let's stay together but that goes always to blind eyes.

 

[<Tommy>]

I don't take any Zwift results seriously. If your result is better than mine on Monday you can really feel good about yourself and if mines better than yours you can just not take it seriously even though you've been panned fair and square. Win win for you.

Milzy I have said this a few times now but I am going to say it just one more time to see if you get it. This isn’t about me. Don’t worry about me. For me zwift is very simple. I try my hardest and what happens happens. Win or lose. I don’t need excuses.

You cheated and as a result I find it hard to take what you say seriously. I’m sorry but that’s not my fault is it? I just think that’s human nature isn’t it? I’m not trying to be mean, I don’t want to be a bully or nasty. I’m just saying what I’m saying.

It’s funny how the people who cheat say they don’t take things seriously. If that is true why cheat?

 

[bobinski]

I just wonder why some Zwifters take virtual riding too seriously. Good example is social group rides where is big punch of riders who want to show off and escape from the leaders group, that happens if fence is not active ( still wondering why some grouprides use fence and some doesn't). Leader try control group that let's stay together but that goes always to blind eyes.

Perhaps because we are all competitive to some degree? I have gone off the from on a group ride. Especially the Zsun ones. But that is not the same as sandbagging or weight doping is it? In the first I am just being annoying and can be forgotten but in the last 2 I am influencing the outcome so I should be
bollocked ( polite English phrase 😁)

 

[<Tommy>]

I am not gonna accuse anybody about cheating in here but i will say who do that they shoot the bullet their own legs. That bullet wound start to hurt when you do irl rides and realize i am not that good after all what i was on Zwift. But it's also true and a fact what @Milzy said some trainer are not so accuracy about power readings. It's hard to point finger with anyone and say you are cheating if the gain comes to inaccurate trainer. Better remember that Zwift doesn't need a speed sensor, Zwift calculate speed from the power. Innacurate and uncalibrated power meter can give good advance.

Juhal you are quite right. Lots of things we can’t control. Turbo’s, power meters, etc etc. Maybe in time these things become more accurate and consistent.

But that is not cheating unless you manipulate them on purpose. Cheating is doing something on purpose to get a better result. It’s a different thing.

We can have a long debate on how serious everyone takes things. Maybe one person thinks it’s life and death. Another couldn’t care a less. For some it’s just fun. Another thinks it makes him the better person! Whatever really... that is up to us al to decide for ourselves and I’m not going to tell someone else how seriously they should take it. It’s up to them. I hope it is healthy is all.

But I think we should agree on what is cheating and what isn’t. That is something we should all agree on surely?

 

[mjd1988]

Perhaps because we are all competitive to some degree? I have gone off the from on a group ride. Especially the Zsun ones. But that is not the same as sandbagging or weight doping is it? In the first I am just being annoying and can be forgotten but in the last 2 I am influencing the outcome so I should be
bollocked ( polite English phrase 😁)

I think people flying off the front on group rides is fine- doesn't effect most people's ride and for the most part there will be a much bigger peloton and everyone gets the work out they want. What annoys me on a group ride is if the leader takes off way over the advertised w/kg

 

[<Tommy>]

And the biggest joke is this... I didn’t say I wanted to string you up @Milzy. Or even said it makes me angry, or upset or anything else. I have consistently said you do what you want to do. What you do doesn’t effect me.
I’ve never suggested you should be banned or ostracised etc. All I said is that because you are the only proven weight doper I find it hard to take you talking about weight loss seriously.

Shouldn't that be obvious?

 

[Milzy]

Milzy I have said this a few times now but I am going to say it just one more time to see if you get it. This isn’t about me. Don’t worry about me. For me zwift is very simple. I try my hardest and what happens happens. Win or lose. I don’t need excuses.

You cheated and as a result I find it hard to take what you say seriously. I’m sorry but that’s not my fault is it? I just think that’s human nature isn’t it? I’m not trying to be mean, I don’t want to be a bully or nasty. I’m just saying what I’m saying.

It’s funny how the people who cheat say they don’t take things seriously. If that is true why cheat?

You just live in your own bubble with your

Milzy I have said this a few times now but I am going to say it just one more time to see if you get it. This isn’t about me. Don’t worry about me. For me zwift is very simple. I try my hardest and what happens happens. Win or lose. I don’t need excuses.

You cheated and as a result I find it hard to take what you say seriously. I’m sorry but that’s not my fault is it? I just think that’s human nature isn’t it? I’m not trying to be mean, I don’t want to be a bully or nasty. I’m just saying what I’m saying.

It’s funny how the people who cheat say they don’t take things seriously. If that is true why cheat?

Keep to yourself, do not come near me,
For I am holier than you! That's your attitude. Not very Christian like is it? Just keep living in your perfect little bubble. I get what you're saying it's like the boy that cried wolf. As Bobinski says you should be bollocked and rightly so I was. I understand you can't let it go. I won't lose any sleep over it.

 

[Marino.g]

One of the good things coming out of this lockdown is more people eating better, fewer takeaways have been open, although starting to open back up, and more people at home cooking fresh and raw foods. All things we've probably done for a good while.

One of my son's is boredom eating most evenings, but this generally translates to freshly made scrambled eggs.

One of the food sites I go to ready meals and when the lock down started they couldn’t keep up with the demand.
3 weeks later and hardly any demand at all and it’s because people have now got the time to cook proper meals.

 

[Marino.g]

Milzy why has it got anyone to do with me or how I’ve woken up? It’s got nothing to do with me. It’s not personal it’s just the way it is.

Let me put it this way. If someone is caught cheating then you’d be a mug if you believed anything they said wouldn’t you? Why would you?

You “openly admitted it”?

You didn’t say you had any plan to doctor your weight.

you did it in the finale of a league.

and you took all the congratulations afterwards. It was only when bridgy started to question you the next day you“openly admitted it”.

I think you’re getting “openly admitted it” and “caught with your pants down” muddled up. There’s also the matter of your weight taking a giant nose dive half way through the January lea

Now you can take it anyway you want. No one here takes it seriously enough to really care if people want to weightdope I think most of us just see it as quite tragic rather than something to get angry about.

But like I say, when you start talking about your weight loss regime, forgive me if I take it with a large pinch of salt.

In the past move on

 

[<Tommy>]

You just live in your own bubble with your

Keep to yourself, do not come near me,
For I am holier than you! That's your attitude. Not very Christian like is it? Just keep living in your perfect little bubble. I get what you're saying it's like the boy that cried wolf. As Bobinski says you should be bollocked and rightly so I was. I understand you can't let it go. I won't lose any sleep over it.

When did I say I was Christian?

what did bob say I must of missed it?

I don’t want you to lose sleep.

 

[Milzy]

When did I say I was Christian?

what did bob say I must of missed it?

I don’t want you to lose sleep.

A good soul should judge when somebody has repented and is trust worthy.
Bob said cheaters should be bollocked.
Ok then.

 

[<Tommy>]

In the past move on

Marino I don’t know you but take this for what it’s worth. Generally in life if someone does something I make a note of it. Good / bad, positive / negative whatever. Nothing more nothing less. That is how we build the pictures we have. I make a note. That is life. It’s not a grudge. It’s just life