Zwift Chat

[Norry1]

Your 20 minute has to be 4.2 w/kg so the calc can then take it down to estimated ftp of .95 x 20 minute

 

[Norry1]

But you are getting close @<Tommy>

 

[Brendan Parker]

They are also background watching 5 min and 1 min power too not just 20 mins, where you could sit back and relax for most of the race then unleash a big 5 min power figure and destroy the field

It looks like you will be bumped up to A cat Tommy. There is an A+ cat now. but the table says 250W and 4W/kg is now A on the events ZP page at the bottom.
Bob, Pete, Lee, Paul will be A cat
It looks like Del, Chris, Nick Michael, Brendan will be be B cat
Carl will too soon

Im happy in C -----for the moment

er no thanks, I'm struggling in C so ill just keep you company

 

[Norry1]

But you are getting close @<Tommy>

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I should have added muchos respect

Don't think I'll ever be troubling the scorers in A Cat

 

[<Tommy>]

But you are getting close @<Tommy>

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I don’t think so bud. It looks close there but it’s what I was saying before. It’s dramatically effected by the length of the race. Those top two results are both right on the 20 minute mark. I can’t sustain that for 40 or 50 minutes which is what most the races I do seem to be. So I’m a long way off really. Which is just fine with me because I’d prefer to not get booted out of races with you guys.

 

[Norry1]

I don’t think so bud. It looks close there but it’s what I was saying before. It’s dramatically effected by the length of the race. Those top two results are both right on the 20 minute mark. I can’t sustain that for 40 or 50 minutes which is what most the races I do seem to be. So I’m a long way off really. Which is just fine with me because I’d prefer to not get booted out of races with you guys.

Yes, but it isn't your last 3 results - it is your best in 90 days (I think its 90) so one more good result any time soon would do it.

So now comes the "moral dilema" do you steer away from short races for a while to stay in B OR go for it and get upgraded

 

[<Tommy>]

Yes, but it isn't your last 3 results - it is your best in 90 days (I think its 90) so one more good result any time soon would do it.

So now comes the "moral dilema" do you steer away from short races for a while to stay in B OR go for it and get upgraded

Ah that might change things!... I thought I’d need to hit 4.0 first?

 

[Norry1]

I reckon you need to do a best 20 minute of 332W to get upgraded in one go. An estimated w/kg of 4.1 gets your average to 4.0 w/kg
That means if you did 332W, that gets an estiamte of 316.1W which is 4.1w/kg if your weight is as shown on your profile of 77.1kg.

Unless anyone can see an error in that

 

[Whorty]

At what point does it reduce your power do you know?

They aren't releasing that info, but it's linked to the 1 minute and 5 minute power ... so if there is a B in C (for example) and they have shot off the front and dropped all the normal C's, if the power is too high (based on this unknown algorithm) they throttle the rider's power. Apparently it's quite funny when the pack then catch the rider and the throttled rider can't respond No glory for them so they might as well upgrade next time.

 

[Whorty]

will it stop people riding tactically below their best though - there will always be some who will take it so seriously that they will do anything to have a virtual medal , be that by weight doping , riding well within their means or any other way just to get a result , that is one reason i dont like racing in big races , i like to race with people who i know are giving it their all rather than doctoring the way they ride just to win
at the end of the day i only ride on zwift to try and get better even though age is not on my side , it takes a strange person to cheat themselves onto a make believe podium but i know there is a lot who feel the need so the more things to try and stop them the better

That is true - cheats will cheat - but then what we will see less of is the sandbaggers shooting off the front in the first few minutes never to be seen again.

As for cheating, I'm a bit meh if there are cheats in my race (weight doping etc) as I'm never gonna know who is doping and i can't do anything about it anyway. So long as i get a good workout with riders in the 'correct' category and pushing the right w/kg then that's fine. What I don't want is to be in a cat where the limit is 3.2 w/kg and even so 25% are pushing closer to 4 w/kg, and that is mostly what these new rules are supposed to be resolving.

We'll see I guess.

 

[Brendan Parker]

They aren't releasing that info, but it's linked to the 1 minute and 5 minute power ... so if there is a B in C (for example) and they have shot off the front and dropped all the normal C's, if the power is too high (based on this unknown algorithm) they throttle the rider's power. Apparently it's quite funny when the pack then catch the rider and the throttled rider can't respond No glory for them so they might as well upgrade next time.

was listening to the zwiftcast on this, apparently, this rider then is subjected to a torrent of abuse zwift is trying to avoid this so it is expected this will change and the rider will be ghosted

 

[Whorty]

If they're within their cat it doesn't matter. On some rare occasions, I've found a race easier to be in, I've not ridden away but waited for the opportune moment. Pretty much like in real world situations

Very true ... in the Crit races I'm on my knees from the off. Too flat for me and can't keep up enough power to stick with even real C riders. Stick some lumps in though and the race changes - the heavier C's don't go out as fast or hard from the pens, so I get to hang on and get a free ride to the hills. Then, when the road goes up I have the advantage over the much heavier riders.

It's about picking the races that suit.

 

[CXRAndy]

This links to the current stats for each rider except Bob- non CCer

https://www.zwiftpower.com/team.php?id=1458

You can see how close or not to being bumped or you should manually upgrade

 

[Whorty]

They are also background watching 5 min and 1 min power too not just 20 mins, where you could sit back and relax for most of the race then unleash a big 5 min power figure and destroy the field

It looks like you will be bumped up to A cat Tommy. There is an A+ cat now. but the table says 250W and 4W/kg is now A on the events ZP page at the bottom.
Bob, Pete, Lee, Paul will be A cat
It looks like Del, Chris, Nick Michael, Brendan will be be B cat
Carl will too soon

Im happy in C -----for the moment

Luckily (!) my 1 minute and 5 minute power numbers are not great so I'll unlikely get pushed up based on those ... yesterday on ZP there was extra data (now removed) showing your 1, 5 and 20 min theoretical categories (probably ZP trying to work out what Zwift's algorithm is doing). For 1 min it had me at D, 5 mins at C and 20 mins at almost B.

Unfortunately these numbers explain why when I join a B ride I get dropped from the pens ... that first blast out I'm just not a B rider, so although I can hold on to B's once the ride settles, I never get the chance in races as I'm dropped too early. Interestingly (to me anyway) when I join B's in Hare and Hounds rides I can hang on to them for 12-15 minutes - this is because the start is more controlled and the blob, whilst pushing B numbers are not too high for a C cat to hang on to.

 

[Milzy]

That is true - cheats will cheat - but then what we will see less of is the sandbaggers shooting off the front in the first few minutes never to be seen again.

As for cheating, I'm a bit meh if there are cheats in my race (weight doping etc) as I'm never gonna know who is doping and i can't do anything about it anyway. So long as i get a good workout with riders in the 'correct' category and pushing the right w/kg then that's fine. What I don't want is to be in a cat where the limit is 3.2 w/kg and even so 25% are pushing closer to 4 w/kg, and that is mostly what these new rules are supposed to be resolving.

We'll see I guess.

People are doping in cat 4 races all the way to world tour level. It will never change .
I'm wounded I have to add a KG on today. Probably a combination of fat from been at home eating too much and maybe a little leg muscle from training. 😗