Zwift Chat

[CXRAndy]

An unsupported Tacx dumb trainer and no power meter, hence not joining the league (would be unfair).

I didn't stop because I blew up on a climb, I could have kept pedalling but my HR spiked too high because of a surge I put in about 30 seconds prior, to carry some speed into the climb. When I get delayed HR spikes I start to feel shonky (not lactic acid) and twiddling a small gear while focusing on my breathing wasn't reducing either my HR nor the shonky feeling.

This is not representative of effort, nor is it close to my recent zwift numbers.
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Now you know why I won't ride without a HRM

Maybe an extended period of Zone 1,2 to get your cardiovascular system more efficient.
My brother in law is doing a months Endurance building with TR. He is using a traditional base plan. I'll try a collate his long workouts over the month. Im hoping he will see a flat-lining plot from his heart rate staying mainly in zone 2.

He is only into 2nd week so early days. Currently his HR would keep climbing to zone 5 over a low power 2hr15 workout.

 

[Edwardoka]

When I first joined this group (in the Bkool days) my HR in races used to be up in the 180's and I'd be lucky to push 180+ watts (and that was on a very generous Bkool trainer!). It's taken a few years, but I consider a HR peak of 171 high now, and I average about 165-168 over a hard race with real (NEO) watts of 220+. Hopefully as your fitness comes you'll see your HR come down too

I've imported all my activities into Goldencheetah to see if anything jumps out at me.
Now, I'm no data analyst, but I stopped drinking caffeine last October, guess when I restarted...

 

[JuhaL]

There's a Zone 2? I appear to have lost mine, just mounting the bike puts me into zone 3

Then you should attach your bike to your trainer permanently if wanna improve your times on Zwift

 

[<Tommy>]

Tommy, course I would do anything to try and beat you 👍😁 I remember chasing down every rider in front of me to get a draft ( probably sticky?) Recover, put on power to get out the sticky, rinse and repeat. They tended to be long efforts though. Perhaps I did get a benefit?

On a closed FB group some have been suggesting best use is 5-10s sprints and stop and then back on again. Any more than that and benefit reduces which is why the sawtooth is so visible. Some have said that on slow to react turbo’s eg.Neo the apparent boost is negated by effort to get turbo up to sprint power. Others have said fly wheel based turbo’s eg. Anything other than Neo, reactvto power input quicker and hold the power longer than a NEO after you ease off the watts but it’s not so visible unless you look for it. I don’t know- in fact I am not sure anyone really does know for sure and what differences there are between different trainers /power meters when it comes to the power on/off. I don’t know if fact it is rarely talked about reflects a desire not to broadcast the “cheat” or because no one really understands what is happening and the variables. But if they did wouldn’t the answer be for everyone to race over BT? Yet no one seems to be suggesting it?

That reminds me there was a top rider last year who accused of using it but he YT all his rides and he always appeared to be pedalling albeit cadence dropped.

Yeah at the time I wasn’t even sure if it had a positive effect. Still not to be honest...
And when zp didn’t respond I assumed there was nothing in it. But if they’re banning people for applying it I guess they must of found it has a positive effect if applied a certain way? 🤷‍♂️

 

[bobinski]

Yeah at the time I wasn’t even sure if it had a positive effect. Still not to be honest...
And when zp didn’t respond I assumed there was nothing in it. But if they’re banning people for applying it I guess they must of found it has a positive effect if applied a certain way? 🤷‍♂️

Nor me mate.

Anecdotally, ST users choose a turbo/pm that over reads watts to start, especially on the sprint because the effect is greater That’s why direto’s and hammers and I think watt bike atom users were quick to be identified as “exploiting “ the technique, whether they were aware of it or not.


There’s another cheat over BT that allows a rider to literally stop pedalling and maintain high watts so not restricted to Ant+ Sawtooth.

 

[Norry1]

Just done a Crit City Race - and managed to record it for the first time. Seems to have worked okay. Link is below on the off-chance that anybody cares


View: https://youtu.be/5NoZHzRblpE


Thanks for the help with finding out how to record - it is actually quite easy

 

[<Tommy>]

Just done a Crit City Race - and managed to record it for the first time. Seems to have worked okay. Link is below on the off-chance that anybody cares


View: https://youtu.be/5NoZHzRblpE


Thanks for the help with finding out how to record - it is actually quite easy

I think to do it via apple tv is a little more tricky. Unless someone knows better I think you need to also have a laptop running and record the mirror image of the tv or monitor. I’d like to give it a try though. Where’s @gbrown when you need him!

 

[tallliman]

Didnt Cameron Jeffers lose his Zwift UK champions jersey because they found he used a program to ride his bike for him to get the Tron bike?

More incidentally, why is my Zwift time more than my ride time? I crossed the line in Zwift in 46:22 but my ride is timed at 46:50 in the companion app.

Either way, I'm happy with that for the last stage. Will probably do s1 properly (did the short route). Thanks all for the fun and comments, its helped me improve!

 

[bobinski]

Err, talking of sawtooth 🤔
I didn’t choose it- my coach chose it for me 😁

 

[Freelanderuk]

More incidentally, why is my Zwift time more than my ride time? I crossed the line in Zwift in 46:22 but my ride is timed at 46:50 in the companion app.

Mine was the same and in the screen shot I did of my result you can see the faster time ,which was faster as it took at least 3 minuets to find the camera button😆😆

 

[CXRAndy]

Just done a Crit City Race - and managed to record it for the first time. Seems to have worked okay. Link is below on the off-chance that anybody cares


View: https://youtu.be/5NoZHzRblpE


Thanks for the help with finding out how to record - it is actually quite easy

The race looked full on. I was amazed that you were bombing along in the first few minutes with such a low HR. Then I remembered you have quite a low HR.

 

[tallliman]

Mine was the same and in the screen shot I did of my result you can see the faster time ,which was faster as it took at least 3 minuets to find the camera button😆😆 View attachment 503503

Glad it's not just me....very odd. My strava time is closer to the time I think I got.

 

[Whorty]

ZP struggling again tonight. Not sure how I did

 

[JuhaL]

ZP struggling again tonight. Not sure how I did

Companion app tells that not bad 44:43 .

 

[CXRAndy]