Zwift Chat

[JuhaL]

I'd be mega happy with just 1 mins slower on this stage compared to stage 1 ... well done

Thanks. I just compared my stage2 data to stage1 data and i noticed that my avg hr was same 144 but avg power was now better. Stage1 it was 173 and now 188. So this stage went exactly as i planed.

 

[<Tommy>]

You're right - on tests up Alpe Du Zwift, a 75kg doing 300 watts would get to the top over 5 minutes quicker than an 82kg rider doing the same watts. On the way back down, the heavier rider will only be 7 seconds quicker

That’s crazy. On the course last night there’s a bit that goes up with a sudden descent afterwards. I was gapping lee quite quickly on the way down. But maybe that’s also because I was putting in more power than him to get over the top at the same time as him, and that acceleration carries through to the beginning of the descent.

That Kom climb on watopia is another one that is quite technical. I find there’s certain places on the climb that if you’re not on the ball you can really lose a chunk of time.

 

[bridgy]

That’s crazy. On the course last night there’s a bit that goes up with a sudden descent afterwards. I was gapping lee quite quickly on the way down. But maybe that’s also because I was putting in more power than him to get over the top at the same time as him, and that acceleration carries through to the beginning of the descent.

That Kom climb on watopia is another one that is quite technical. I find there’s certain places on the climb that if you’re not on the ball you can really lose a chunk of time.

Yeah you were almost certainly doing far higher watts than Lee when you crested the climb (you would have had to to be doing similar w/kg or to stay with him) so this would be why you pulled away when the road went back down - the tests were done with two riders doing the same watts, not the same w/kg remember.

To be fair to Lee and other lighter riders, they would have had to work harder on the long flat sections, relative to a heavier rider able to generate higher watts

 

[CXRAndy]

That’s crazy. On the course last night there’s a bit that goes up with a sudden descent afterwards. I was gapping lee quite quickly on the way down. But maybe that’s also because I was putting in more power than him to get over the top at the same time as him, and that acceleration carries through to the beginning of the descent.

That Kom climb on watopia is another one that is quite technical. I find there’s certain places on the climb that if you’re not on the ball you can really lose a chunk of time.

Now think about us mid 90s Kg riders

 

[bridgy]

Now think about us mid 90s Kg riders

Ah but unless you're about 7 foot tall, being 95kg is a lifestyle choice

(As is my own weight I hasten to add!)

 

[bobinski]

Ah but unless you're about 7 foot tall, being 95kg is a lifestyle choice

(As is my own weight I hasten to add!)

Bridgy being cruel to be kind 😁

 

[bobinski]

Yeah you were almost certainly doing far higher watts than Lee when you crested the climb (you would have had to to be doing similar w/kg or to stay with him) so this would be why you pulled away when the road went back down - the tests were done with two riders doing the same watts, not the same w/kg remember.

To be fair to Lee and other lighter riders, they would have had to work harder on the long flat sections, relative to a heavier rider able to generate higher watts

Or lighter riders tuck in and draft.

In our group we were largely led by a guy pulling a consistent 5.2w/k on the flats. I thanked him whilst doing just enough to stay in behind him.

 

[bridgy]

Or lighter riders tuck in and draft.

In our group we were largely led by a guy pulling a consistent 5.2w/k on the flats. I thanked him whilst doing just enough to stay in behind him.

Yeah but if the light rider and heavier rider both stayed in the draft, the lighter rider would have to be working harder

 

[berty bassett]

Yeah but if the light rider and heavier rider both stayed in the draft, the lighter rider would have to be working harder

Yeh - right on !!
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it tommy - I was shigged last night cos I worked harder 😁

 

[<Tommy>]

Yeh - right on !!
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it tommy - I was shigged last night cos I worked harder 😁

Read it again mate. Bridgy said if we were BOTH in the draft

 

[<Tommy>]

Now think about us mid 90s Kg riders

Ah but unless you're about 7 foot tall, being 95kg is a lifestyle choice

(As is my own weight I hasten to add!)

I used to think about 95kg all the time. Then I dropped 20kg and I don’t think about it so much anymore 😁

Bloody miss the cake though. And I can’t look at a pack of cookies without drooling 🤪

 

[bobinski]

Yeah but if the light rider and heavier rider both stayed in the draft, the lighter rider would have to be working harder

I was about 3.5-4w/k with short burst beyond 4 not to get dropped. No idea how much he weighed though.

 

[bridgy]

Yeh - right on !!
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it tommy - I was shigged last night cos I worked harder 😁

Doesn't apply to you Lee because you're so short you benefit from significantly lower air resistance

 

[berty bassett]

Doesn't apply to you Lee because you're so short you benefit from significantly lower air resistance

What’s this ? Pick on berty week !
Who do I moan to about workplace bullying ?
Guess it may not be anyone on here 😂

 

[bridgy]

Actually it's quite complicated when you drill down into it!

Lighter riders have less drag in Zwift so will go faster for the same watts as a heavier rider even on the flat (short, lightweight riders have even less drag). Obviously doing the same watts would be a higher w/kg for the lighter rider though, so probably relatively harder work.

So, because lighter riders would be faster for the same watts they can afford to do fewer watts - i.e closer to the same w/kg as the heavier rider - to maintain the same speed.

So exactly who has to do relatively more work on the flat will depend on the weight/height differences.

Sorry Lee, you may have to accept its all easier for you and you really should be winning every race by a country mile or you're not really trying after all