They don't.
Woman convicted of manslaughter after swearing and gesturing at 77 year old cyclist.
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All uphill
Still rolling along
- Location
- Somerset
That seems to me to be what you were saying - the sentence being (partly) a reflection on her.
Alex321
Guru
- Location
- South Wales
That is indeed what he was saying. But it isn't what you were suggesting.
DaveReading
Don't suffer fools gladly (must try harder!)
- Location
- Reading, obvs
Don't be misled by the judge's comments about the width of the pavement - it was nowhere near 2.4 m:
If it had been 2.4 m, this would probably have been a non-event. I have no idea where he got that figure from.
Dolorous Edd
Senior Member
And now we get this sort of thing.... (sigh)
Cyclists have been given a licence to ride on the pavement
Cyclists have been given a licence to ride on the pavement
matticus
Guru
Such people will always seek the populist vote. It doesn't take a court case - a glass of sherry on Boxing Day is enough:
"What's smug and deserves to be decapitated? - The Times
The Times
https://www.thetimes.co.uk › article
27 Dec 2007 — A festive custom we could do worse than foster would be stringing piano wire across country lanes to decapitate cyclists.
..."
The lovely Matthew Parris. God bless him.
BoldonLad
Not part of the Elite
- Location
- South Tyneside
sounds like incitement to violence to me, shouldn't he have been prosecuted?
T4tomo
Legendary Member
I'll think I trust the court records, not your nursery school sketching.
DaveReading
Don't suffer fools gladly (must try harder!)
- Location
- Reading, obvs
So you think HHJ Enborne sent his clerk (assuming he had one, which is rare in CCs nowadays) out with a tape measure ? I'm afraid I have news for you.
The judge's information will have originated from the same council who don't appear to even know whether it's a shared path or not.
matticus
Guru
What a delightfully quaint view you have of law-enforcement around the media! x
T4tomo
Legendary Member
what I'm saying is this is a completely inaccurate measurement, firstly its at an angle, secondly is doesn't cover the width of the pavement and thirdly its wildly inaccurate way to get an approximate measure of something in any event.
Yes. Also the Google image is taken at a considerable side angle (look at the lamppost), which will foreshorten the horizontal distances.
Furthermore the projection of the image onto map data introduces still further error potential.
MontyVeda
a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
- Location
- Lancaster... the little city.
if you've looked at the street side images of the pavement in question, surely you're aware that it's clearly not 2.4 meters wide.
Edit... having a second look... it might well be
I believe the Renault van is just shy of 2 meters wide
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Dolorous Edd
Senior Member
If the width of the pavement were in question, you would have hoped (for the sake of due process) that defending counsel would have had it measured and brought into evidence.
Alex321
Guru
- Location
- South Wales
if you've looked at the street side images of the pavement in question, surely you're aware that it's clearly not 2.4 meters wide.
Edit... having a second look... it might well be
Yes. There is one streetview image showing a couple of fairly large people walking side by side, with plenty of room for another beside them. Though I do think the 2.4m is from kerbside to railings, ignoring the lamposts that reduce the effective width at frequent intervals.
I did also notice that in the BBC report, there was a cyclist passed the reporter (and presumably also the camera crew), without even seeming particularly close.
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