UK SUV Petition

[Alex321]

So what car are you comparing with your SUV to get that contrast as I cannot understand how you arrive at that conclusion.

Both of them are pretending their bike is an SUV.

Very pointless

 

[matticus]

Why petition against one group of car type when others are worse?

But SIR! Smiggins did it first. Why do *I* get a detention??

It's not fair!!!!!!

 

[DRHysted]

But SIR! Smiggins did it first. Why do *I* get a detention??

It's not fair!!!!!!

OK let me try to put this in simple terms that may make more sense.

Why single out one group of road users that is so diverse, it would be like petitioning against cyclists because some don’t obey road rules.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

OK let me try to put this in simple terms that may make more sense.

Why single out one group of road users that is so diverse, it would be like petitioning against cyclists because some don’t obey road rules.

In simple terms:

SUVs are disproportionately polluting and wasteful of natural resources,

SUVs are disproportionately dangerous and intimidating to other road users: because of their high bonnets, rapid acceleration, large size and ability to abuse the urban environment by mounting kerbs and going fast over traffic calming measures.

The large proportion of vehicles now sold as SUVs makes this a significant problem for everyone else (it wouldn't really matter if there were only a few)

Hope that's simple enough.

 

[Jameshow]

I find it interest ing when people target one group of items forsaking all others. Personally I wouldn’t vote against SUVs because technically my current car is classed as an SUV. Yet it is smaller than my last estate car, is more fuel efficient than my last estate car, handles better than me last estate car, brakes better than my last estate car, most importantly tows the caravan better than my last estate car, so is safer for everyone else compared to my last estate car. It is slightly heavier than the estate car, but that’s probably due to the battery pack.
Why petition against one group of car type when others are worse?

SUV are bad esp the little Jimmy or Vitara used by home care workers and district nurses to get about in icey snowy conditions.

Meanwhile a RS6 or a Tesla x is perfectly legitimate!🤣🤣

 

[icowden]

In simple terms:
SUVs are disproportionately polluting and wasteful of natural resources,

That just isn't true. Firstly the term "SUV" is used for practically all cars these days. There is no proper definition. An ID4 is an SUV, so is a landrover defender or a range rover. EV SUVs are not polluting or wasteful of natural resources and research is being carried out daily to reduce the impact on natural resources.

SUVs are disproportionately dangerous and intimidating to other road users: because of their high bonnets, rapid acceleration, large size and ability to abuse the urban environment by mounting kerbs and going fast over traffic calming measures.

But Electric SUVs have a huge amount of tech built in to reduce injury both to the occupants and other road users. My SUV doesn't have a high bonnet.

The large proportion of vehicles now sold as SUVs makes this a significant problem for everyone else (it wouldn't really matter if there were only a few)
Hope that's simple enough.

Not really. As we have said. When everything is an SUV all you are calling for is banning cars.

 

[matticus]

SUV are bad esp the little Jimmy or Vitara used by home care workers and district nurses to get about in icey snowy conditions.

Meanwhile a RS6 or a Tesla x is perfectly legitimate!🤣🤣

If you actually read any of the existing/proposed legislation/taxes on such things, they rarely say "SUV"; they will use something like vehicle weight.
(see also: 4x4 Fiat Pandas!

You will also be aware that there are exemptions for vehicles with specific access requirements - that's how fire engines get to fires where you wouldn't normally encounter an HGV, sometimes even cars.

 

[DRHysted]

In simple terms:

SUVs are disproportionately polluting and wasteful of natural resources,

SUVs are disproportionately dangerous and intimidating to other road users: because of their high bonnets, rapid acceleration, large size and ability to abuse the urban environment by mounting kerbs and going fast over traffic calming measures.

The large proportion of vehicles now sold as SUVs makes this a significant problem for everyone else (it wouldn't really matter if there were only a few)

Hope that's simple enough.

Really glad I don’t live in your world, instead I’ll stay in a world where people don’t make sweeping inaccurate prejudices. I’m yet to put anyone on ignore, your ignorance puts you close.

 

[Alex321]

In simple terms:

SUVs are disproportionately polluting and wasteful of natural resources,

SUVs are disproportionately dangerous and intimidating to other road users: because of their high bonnets, rapid acceleration, large size and ability to abuse the urban environment by mounting kerbs and going fast over traffic calming measures.

The large proportion of vehicles now sold as SUVs makes this a significant problem for everyone else (it wouldn't really matter if there were only a few)

Hope that's simple enough.

It is ridiculously over-simplistic.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

EV SUVs are not polluting or wasteful of natural resources

Of course they are.

They're bigger and heavier than normal cars. This isn't a difficult concept.

Electric SUVs have a huge amount of tech built in to reduce injury both to the occupants and other road users.

So what? Being overtaken fast and close by an electric SUV on a road hump as happened to me last week isn't solved by this. A normal car wouldn't be able to do that.

These things are inherently intimidating and antisocial. Tech doesn't help that one iota.

When everything is an SUV all you are calling for is banning cars.

Sure, there are shades of grey; not all SUVs are Hummers. But this is just empty rhetoric to avoid the issue.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Really glad I don’t live in your world, instead I’ll stay in a world where people don’t make sweeping inaccurate prejudices. I’m yet to put anyone on ignore, your ignorance puts you close.

Please say which of those statements is "sweeping inaccurate prejudices" and why.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

It is ridiculously over-simplistic.

They asked for simple!

 

[Alex321]

They asked for simple!

There is a difference between simple and simplistic., You have given the latter.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

There is a difference between simple and simplistic., You have given the latter.

So, say which is wrong, and why.

 

[icowden]

Of course they are.
They're bigger and heavier than normal cars. This isn't a difficult concept.

Fixed that for you. As I have pointed out, my ID4 is smaller than some "normal" cars. Indeed it is smaller than my previous car, which wasn't huge either.
Yes, they are heavier.

So what? Being overtaken fast and close by an electric SUV on a road hump as happened to me last week isn't solved by this. A normal car wouldn't be able to do that.

Have you never encountered an Audi or BMW driver?

These things are inherently intimidating and antisocial. Tech doesn't help that one iota.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

Sure, there are shades of grey; not all SUVs are Hummers. But this is just empty rhetoric to avoid the issue.

And there was I thinking it was a pretty valid point as SUV is not really defined anywhere.
This is an SUV according to Hyundai: