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PpPete

Legendary Member
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Chandler's Ford
The crude summary is that you appear to defend Armstrong by saying that earlier riders have not been pursued therefore he should also escape with impunity.

Why? Toppling Armstrong is an excellent example that may clean up the pro cycling scene (as well as removing the influence of a toxic personality). Why waste time discussing earlier riders except as a diversionary tactic? What is your motive?

It's not even a good diversionary tactic.
Did Miguel Indurain spend the time since his retirement lying under oath, bullying former team-mates, making questionable payments etc to hide the truth?
The point that USADA have made is that LA's continued strong arm tactics to cover up his doping make the SoL inapplicable in his case. They have NOT set a general precedent for it to be torn up in every case.
If the Spanish anti-doping agency can show that MI used the same sort of tactics as LA to cover up his dopng they might just have a precedent in the USADA / LA. Otherwise the SoL continues to apply.
 

rich p

ridiculous old lush
Location
Brighton
One thing that puzzles me and I'm sure someone will put me right....

...is that when Novitsky was interviewing the USPS riders under oath, re a conspiracy to defraud, thus forcing them to tell the truth or risk jail-time for perjury, why was Armstrong not subpoenaed too?
Was it because he was judged to be at the centre of the conspiracy?
If he had been, and had lied under oath, he would still be up for perjury á la Marion Jones.
 

Zofo

Veteran
Location
Leicester
I hate to kick a man when he's down so I'd like to step back from the feeding frenzy and recognise that LA did do some good for cycling, after all a bet a good percentage of us on here got into cycling beacause of him.

comments ?
 

Hont

Guru
Location
Bromsgrove
Anyone can talk a good game. I wouldn't read too much into what a Pro cyclist has probably been told to say.
Agree with that. It would be a fool who declared a rider innocent based on what came out of their mouths.

The other side of the coin is different I think. The ridiculous defence of Armstong by Indurain, Sanchez, Valverde and Contador (who has every reason to dispise him FFS) is very damning. It just shows how much of a corner you paint yourself into when you don't confess all. Valverde and Contador have both served drugs bans so there is only one reason to fear further scrutiny.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
And despite all the hype and witchuntery (new word, (C) Drago enterprises 2012) he has never tested positive. I know there were techniques for avoiding it, but none of them were infallible and it was an awfully long career.

That said, everyone else was at in during that era so he may very well have been norty. But honestly, who even really cares any more? Unless he turns out to be another Jimmy Savile type then I'm happy to let it go - if he did do it it then at the time it appears it was pretty normal behaviour, and few can doubt the commitment he has made to worthy causes, and rocket fuel or not his battle with cancer was inspiring stuff.
 

Zofo

Veteran
Location
Leicester
I agree, is a c**t alright but you have to grudgingly admire his win at all costs mentality. You'd want him on your side in a fight !
 

Rob3rt

Man or Moose!
Location
Manchester
Another farking LA debate thread! COME ON..................
 

Mr Haematocrit

msg me on kik for android
I think Lance damaged cycling massively, although he raised the profile of the sport he did so through corruption and dishonesty.. I do not think or believe for a second Lance Armstrong did good for anyone other than himself, he did not care for the sport, he did not care for sportsmanship, he did not care for team mates and competitors and went out of his way to destroy peoples cycling careers, peoples business and peoples reputation... Lance is a nasty piece of work. His and his team's treatment of Filippo Simeoni was an absolute disgrace.

Why not kick him when he's down?....its no less than he's done to many other people? ..... Karma is a bitch and I'm loving every moment of watching his house of cards come down
 

thom

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Location
The Borough
As said above, is there a need for this thread in this section ?

It might be a worthwhile topic for the General Cycling section because it pertains to why people decided to try cycling in their lives.

Mods, any thoughts ?
 

Zofo

Veteran
Location
Leicester
2118727 said:
Yes it can be private enclave for those sometimes somewhat disparagingly referred to as fanbois.
Well said Adrian, after all no one HAS to post -If they've got something more interesting to do ?
 
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