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The kicking would stop if he confessed (although other things would start - like jail) Otherwise he is saying 'please come back and kick again cos I'm not giving in'
The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*
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I almost despair - have these people read the evidence, the damage he did and is still doing to pro cycling? Rabobank anyone?
Michael Ashenden has another interesting article and poses some interesting questions that Fat Pat needs to answer..
http://www.siab.org.au/58dgETdx002ag/ArmstrongTriangle.pdf
Michael Ashenden has another interesting article and poses some interesting questions that Fat Pat needs to answer..
http://www.siab.org.au/58dgETdx002ag/ArmstrongTriangle.pdf
quote="asterix, post: 2117971, member: 69"]The crude mistaken and erroneous summary is that you appear to defend Armstrong by saying that earlier riders have not been pursued therefore he should also escape with impunity.
Why? Toppling Armstrong is an excellent example that may clean up the pro cycling scene (as well as removing the influence of a toxic personality). Why waste time discussing earlier riders except as a diversionary tactic? What is your motive?[/quote]
FTFY
Your misinterpretation entirely ....................
My stance is exactly the opposite.
Armstrong is guilty, and "toppling him" is good news, as you say giving a good example of how "cheating does not pay"
The question really is why now dilute that message by not pursuing the others. Why should all the others (Indurain was raised as an example by another poster) escape with impunity.
Surely the message at the moment is that cheating does not pay.
That is entirely correct and appropriate, so follow the example.
Invesitgate allegations of doping
If substantiated use the lessons learnt from the Armstrong Case, and the experience gained to provide the evidence
Extend statutes of limitations if required
Remove any title gained illegitimately, regardless of who and when
They cheated, they gained a dishonest advantage, and only won the title by fraudulent means - that is enough for me to want to see them censured.
Or are you saying that Indurain's (alleged) cheating is acceptable because he only cheated "just a liitle bit"?
At the end of the day Armstrong's deserved downfall has opened a large Pandora's box..... I wish to see the contents of that box exposed and dealt with.
Others seem to wish to close the box, lock it and walk away.... dismissing discussion about other riders who have doped as a diversion because you are uncomfortable with it is unequivocally in this latter category
Why? Toppling Armstrong is an excellent example that may clean up the pro cycling scene (as well as removing the influence of a toxic personality). Why waste time discussing earlier riders except as a diversionary tactic? What is your motive?[/quote]
FTFY
Your misinterpretation entirely ....................
My stance is exactly the opposite.
Armstrong is guilty, and "toppling him" is good news, as you say giving a good example of how "cheating does not pay"
The question really is why now dilute that message by not pursuing the others. Why should all the others (Indurain was raised as an example by another poster) escape with impunity.
Surely the message at the moment is that cheating does not pay.
That is entirely correct and appropriate, so follow the example.
Invesitgate allegations of doping
If substantiated use the lessons learnt from the Armstrong Case, and the experience gained to provide the evidence
Extend statutes of limitations if required
Remove any title gained illegitimately, regardless of who and when
They cheated, they gained a dishonest advantage, and only won the title by fraudulent means - that is enough for me to want to see them censured.
Or are you saying that Indurain's (alleged) cheating is acceptable because he only cheated "just a liitle bit"?
At the end of the day Armstrong's deserved downfall has opened a large Pandora's box..... I wish to see the contents of that box exposed and dealt with.
Others seem to wish to close the box, lock it and walk away.... dismissing discussion about other riders who have doped as a diversion because you are uncomfortable with it is unequivocally in this latter category
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Greg LeMond for UCI head "I want to tell the world of cycling to please join me in telling Pat McQuaid to f##k off and resign"
As its pantomime season, all together now ...... OH YES IT IS !
Almost certainly.
Reality on whether you judge someone based on their statements is that of course it doesn't guarantee that they are clean
But it's interesting to see who offers a sympathetic hearing and that does speak volumes. We have people being awarded the TdF title after the previous winner is stripped and accept without a murmour. I would be screaming from the roof tops that the cheating B^>#}}<d had stolen my moment of glory.
I want to see the riders I believe to be clean getting angry in their statements, doesn't mean that they cannot possibly be liars, but experience so far suggests that dirty riders are always careful in their choice of words. Lance was always willing to rattle out his never failed a test line. Yes officially he never did, because the protocols around testing demand they are done in a specific way and involve two samples being checked. I don't ever recall him commenting much about why he had samples containing EPO. Did he ever?
But it's interesting to see who offers a sympathetic hearing and that does speak volumes. We have people being awarded the TdF title after the previous winner is stripped and accept without a murmour. I would be screaming from the roof tops that the cheating B^>#}}<d had stolen my moment of glory.
I want to see the riders I believe to be clean getting angry in their statements, doesn't mean that they cannot possibly be liars, but experience so far suggests that dirty riders are always careful in their choice of words. Lance was always willing to rattle out his never failed a test line. Yes officially he never did, because the protocols around testing demand they are done in a specific way and involve two samples being checked. I don't ever recall him commenting much about why he had samples containing EPO. Did he ever?
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I once couldn't stop cycling thanks to his toe-straps.You bloody newcomers, I got into cycling due to Eugene Christophe
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Fat Pat's son Andrew accused lemond of doping on his twitter feed today. Like father like son - total jokers.
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You couldnt make it up could you?
@amaferanga... Jens clean! have a look at his history, where he comes from 14yo in national state sports programme in East Germany, then all the riders he has been with all confirmed dopers, CSC!
I love the guy and would say to any young pro, ride with him and you would get a better rider back, although they may also come back a shell of the lad that went out! lol. If you want to point at a rider who best describes pro cycling he is your man.
I love the guy and would say to any young pro, ride with him and you would get a better rider back, although they may also come back a shell of the lad that went out! lol. If you want to point at a rider who best describes pro cycling he is your man.
