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I can' t quote because you replied within the quotation marks
However......
When did Indurain lose?
Why is discussing whether his titles are "safe" if he is guilty if doping unacceptable to you?
It is surely valid to discuss whether Indurain's wins are valid only if gained legitimately?
It would be interesting to see why this worries you
However......
When did Indurain lose?
Why is discussing whether his titles are "safe" if he is guilty if doping unacceptable to you?
It is surely valid to discuss whether Indurain's wins are valid only if gained legitimately?
It would be interesting to see why this worries you
Andrew_P
In between here and there
he tweeted @ 6.30am the day after his pro licence was issued that he had a early morning visit for a blood and urine test. Any pro or even mixed events I think, strictly amateur for LA now
GrumpyGregry
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Who won the Olympic 100m race in 1988*?
Benjamin Sinclair "Ben" Johnson
Who was awarded the Olympic 100m gold medal in 1988?
Carl Lewis
It is a historical fact that Johnson won the race. Ditto that he was disqualified and the medal awarded to Lewis. But Lewis cannot be said to have won the race, having finished second, only that he was awarded the gold medal. Not hard to understand.
and precisely Cunobelin's point.
*a race in which five, or is it six, of the participants either went on to test positive or be embroiled in drug scandals.
GrumpyGregry
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According to NY Daily News seems LiveStrong funds may have been used to pay for a lobbyist to raise questions about USADA’s financing, mission and authority.....
Naughty naughty.
Naughty naughty.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-says-there-is-no-new-proof-against-armstrong
edit - what's Spanish for 4 dickheads
MacB
Lover of things that come in 3's
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If there's any meat to that then colour me surprised, I would have expected tracks to be covered better
400bhp
Guru
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-says-there-is-no-new-proof-against-armstrong
edit - what's Spanish for 4 dickheads
If the quotes are correct from Contador I'm really annoyed by this.
They just don't get it do they.
Stupid stupid boys.
Back on the Mac as opposed to the phone, so can answer in more detail.
This needs some serious explanation.
THe situation as far as I am concerned is quite simple... whether you feel I am going to lose or not is irrelevant, and I am certainly not going to give up because you are uncomfortable with the concept of titles being removed if the winner of the race is shown to have cheated either through conduct, using PEDs or any other reason
it is very simple.
Indurain was the "first across the line" in each of the TdFs between 1991 and 1996, in common jargon he "won" these tours.
There are now allegations (repeated on this forum) that he cheated by using PEDs to attain these wins
If this is true then the WADA / UCI and the Spanish equivalent of the USADA have the option to remove these titles .
The other point still remains as to (if proven guilty) whether Indurain is pursued, and stripped of his titles , or allowed to keep the titles as part of an amnesty deal.
I look forward to an explanation.
Hence there is a clear and unequivocal difference between winning these titles and being awarded and retaining these titles.
Andrew_P
In between here and there
Lets face it, they went after the king doper, the talisman, they went for and got the full monty. You can go back years and I would be able to guarantee you that most if not all of the well known riders were at it, using what was available at the time. Eddie Mercx came out about LA, yet he too failed a drug test.
Reading through as much of the report I could stomach you had to be the latter part of dumber and dumber to have failed a drug test.
Then you have Tom Simpson, fer christ sake everyone worships him he even has a monument on Ventoux, yet Amphetamine, Directics and booze will all used at the time as perfomance enhancers and major contributors to his death.
Reading through as much of the report I could stomach you had to be the latter part of dumber and dumber to have failed a drug test.
Then you have Tom Simpson, fer christ sake everyone worships him he even has a monument on Ventoux, yet Amphetamine, Directics and booze will all used at the time as perfomance enhancers and major contributors to his death.
400bhp
Guru
Having a monument and remembering him, in my opinion, is a good thing.
It reflects on what people are capable of doing to win and what a tragic waste of life it was.
It should make cyclists think about what sport and life is about and what is important.
The Statute of Limitations might not be lifted in the case of Indurain, due to the differences between his case and Armstrongs.
