Do you think they gave Phil the EPO or the clean tour? If Danny Coyle can live and travel with the team for a year and not spot it then odds on a commentator who is travelling separately is even less likely to spot it.
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Do you think they gave Phil the EPO or the clean tour? If Danny Coyle can live and travel with the team for a year and not spot it then odds on a commentator who is travelling separately is even less likely to spot it.
Russell Allen
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Anyone who has followed this sport for the last 15 years cannot have been under any illusions about the level of PED use by a lot of professional cyclists. That is not to say that they were all "at it" but usage of PEDS was widespread and best described as an "open secret" Phil Liggett is either totally gullible or he must think we are, i simply find it impossible to believe that he knew nothing. . There are going to be a lot of casualties in the fallout of the LA affair and i suspect Phil Liggett may well be one of them. As I have said earlier in this thread the dam has now burst, we need to wait and see the fallout as the water makes its way downstream. I am waiting for the legal action against LA to start, I am thinking of starting a sweepstake on which former sponsor, team mate, team will get the ball rolling. Its also only a matter of time before the first documentary "expose" of the financial dealings of Livestrong occurs.
Russell
Anyone who has followed this sport for the last 15 years cannot have been under any illusions about the level of PED use by a lot of professional cyclists. That is not to say that they were all "at it" but usage of PEDS was widespread and best described as an "open secret" Phil Liggett is either totally gullible or he must think we are, i simply find it impossible to believe that he knew nothing. . There are going to be a lot of casualties in the fallout of the LA affair and i suspect Phil Liggett may well be one of them. As I have said earlier in this thread the dam has now burst, we need to wait and see the fallout as the water makes its way downstream. I am waiting for the legal action against LA to start, I am thinking of starting a sweepstake on which former sponsor, team mate, team will get the ball rolling. Its also only a matter of time before the first documentary "expose" of the financial dealings of Livestrong occurs.
Russell
just jim
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Various apologists and armchair Armstrong lawyers will doubtless step up with more b... I mean water that collects in the lowest part of a ship*, once the UCI takes a sip of coffee and endorses the USADA's reasoned decision tomorrow.
Chances are we won't get an admission ever from the gentleman in question, but he does now look rather burdened by it all.
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Chances are we won't get an admission ever from the gentleman in question, but he does now look rather burdened by it all.
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johnr
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/oct/21/peddlers-cycling-dirty-truth-review
another review of the Radio 5 documentary
another review of the Radio 5 documentary
fozy tornip
A usual suspect.
He is talking to an Ozzie audience there. Cadel is the man they are interested in.
Not just Armstrong though, so why limit the discussion?
Those who were involved in policing the Sport and testing failed miserably, that includes UCI, USADA and the WADA whose "watch" this all happened on.
They should have also been picking up on all the others as well?
Lets take Michele Ferrari and his misconduct. The list of cyclists who he "worked with" include Armstrong, Cippolini, Vinokourov, Simeoni and Landis, all who have proved positive and / or admitted the use of EPD
Ferrari has also worked with Cadel Evans, should we be worried about this "evidence"?
Ferrari has also worked with Cadel Evans, should we be worried about this "evidence"?
How many times are you going to trot this drivel out?
a) We have always been against all drug takers in the peloton while you are an Armstrong obsessed johnny-cum-lately.
b) We have picking on and deriding the UCI, Verbruggen and McQuaid for nigh on a decade while you have been noticeably absent
c) I was referring to Ligget talking about Armstrong, hence the Armstrong bent
d) This a fecking thread about Armstrong!!!!!!!!
e) May I refer you to the other threads about reforming the UCI
f) FFS say something new instead of stating the bleedin' obvious like you'd just invented the wheel
Suggesting that doping in the peloton was widespread and that the testing regime failed to detect them is drivel?
It may be uncomfortably outside the narrow agenda you are fixated with, but the sad fact is that the WADA, USADA,UCI and the other professional bodies either, failed to detect failed to act, or allegedly openly colluded.
If you really object to the truth, then it is really a problem you should deal with on your own.
Without a full, frank investigation we are (to paraphrase Santayana) in a position where;
Flying_Monkey
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No, he's suggesting that you are trying to teach your grandma to suck eggs. And he's right.
Wrong...
He has an aversion to anything that suggests the USADA / WADA needs to be investigated alongside the UCI, and throws his toys out of the pram rather than constructively comment.
So lets ask the question...
Should we or should we not be investigating the role of the USADA and WADA during this period?
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mickle
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No one is suggesting that the UCI or other agencies or individuals should not be scrutinized.
