The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[ufkacbln]

with obvious connotations to doping.

Now I wouldn't bet my house on all the riders in team SKY being clean, but I very much doubt there's an organized regime. Why you try to muddy the waters this way I don't know.

Your misinterpretation entirely........if I wanted to refer to the riders and drugs I would do so

Corruption is unacceptable unless you are saying otherwise?

 

[Erratic]

WOW! a great read (via INRNG)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/s...all&adxnnlx=1350799332-GeQVKn1iF56j0pzeK9tfEQ

 

[Red Light]

WOW! a great read (via INRNG)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/s...all&adxnnlx=1350799332-GeQVKn1iF56j0pzeK9tfEQ

With the following advert at the bottom of it. Is that Google doing irony?

 

[Andrew_P]

Not sure if this has been posted, but I read this as a ITV4 please don't sack me! http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-fool-out-of-him/story-fnecsqy7-1226500195180

 

[david k]

Not sure if this has been posted, but I read this as a ITV4 please don't sack me! http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-fool-out-of-him/story-fnecsqy7-1226500195180

interesting read, makes you feel almost sorry for him. you can see his point though

also the bit about lance not being able to admit because of all the (myriad) legal lawsuits etc that would happen. think lance has no choice but to front it out or give up entirely, or doe he have other choices/

 

[Red Light]

interesting read, makes you feel almost sorry for him. you can see his point though

also the bit about lance not being able to admit because of all the (myriad) legal lawsuits etc that would happen. think lance has no choice but to front it out or give up entirely, or doe he have other choices/

One of the main reasons for a no-contest plea in Court is that it allows the Court to proceed with the criminal penalties without creating any civil liabilities in the process.

 

[MichaelM]

interesting read, makes you feel almost sorry for him. you can see his point though

also the bit about lance not being able to admit because of all the (myriad) legal lawsuits etc that would happen. think lance has no choice but to front it out or give up entirely, or doe he have other choices/

Really?

"Having been with the riders...there’s never been the slightest inclination these guys have been going back and preparing by taking EPO and human growth hormone."

Of course not Phil.

 

[kedab]

i think he's a great commentator but his blind devotion to LA was astonishing and he really began to irk me. he's a smart guy yet he still wants us to believe he didn't have even the slightest inkling as to what was going? don't insult us phil oh and..."Liggett told a cycling website this week were it not for the fact he’d signed contracts to commentate through to 2016, the scandal was so depressing he would have walked away from cycling." - do it, go now and put a good word in for me...i'd frikin love your job

 

[Red Light]

Really?

"Having been with the riders...there’s never been the slightest inclination these guys have been going back and preparing by taking EPO and human growth hormone."

Of course not Phil.

Well Hamilton's ghost author, Daniel Coyle, managed to spend a whole season with Armstrong and the team and write a book about it without noticing a thing either.

 

[Smokin Joe]

Well Hamilton's ghost author, Daniel Coyle, managed to spend a whole season with Armstrong and the team and write a book about it without noticing a thing either.

Liggett is a long time cycling journalist who was once on the verge of becoming a pro cyclist himself, and a close friend of his co-commentator ex pro Paul Sherwin. For him to throw his hands up and plead innocence of what was going on in the very small world of professional cycling is rather stretching one's belief.

 

[MichaelM]

Well Hamilton's ghost author, Daniel Coyle, managed to spend a whole season with Armstrong and the team and write a book about it without noticing a thing either.

Didn't notice anything or didn't have enough to go public with given Armstrong's penchant for legal threats/action? Besides, it wouldn't really have gone down well in a book on "the greatest most tested cyclist of all time" (TM) would it.

 

[Red Light]

Didn't notice anything or didn't have enough to go public with given Armstrong's penchant for legal threats/action? Besides, it wouldn't really have gone down well in a book on "the greatest most tested cyclist of all time" (TM) would it.

Yep, can't risk your book sales income after all that effort. There'll always be another chance in a few years

But seriously with Walsh and SCA and the L'Equipe 1999 samples stories and all the rumours that were swirling around him even then, in spending 2005 with Lance on his last Tour he heard no, saw no so spoke no evil? You think?

 

[johnr]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...d-no-reason-not-to-believe-lance-8219480.html
Article based on same press release by the looks of it.

I think Liggett does himself a disservice: not only did he have no reason not to disbelieve Pharmstrong, he had every reason to believe him.

After all, not only did he host gigs for him (I'm sure no money changed hands) and have personal assurances from the great man, he is in regular communication with people that tell him USADA bribes witnesses, doctors who assure him Armstrong would be dead if he doped, not to mention the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. What self-respecting journalist would be expected to raise questions in the face of all those reliable sources?

 

[beastie]

Yep, can't risk your book sales income after all that effort. There'll always be another chance in a few years

But seriously with Walsh and SCA and the L'Equipe 1999 samples stories and all the rumours that were swirling around him even then, in spending 2005 with Lance on his last Tour he heard no, saw no so spoke no evil? You think?

If you had a writer shadow you for parts of a season, which parts would you show him? The training super hard and winning the TDF, or the blood doping and EPO injecting? Not very hard to hide it really. Just don't do shoot when the writer is about.

Dan Coyle does mention the magic number of 6.7 which Ferrari had surmised was the required watts/kg at threshold needed to be in with a chance of winning. LA tested at 7 if IRC. This is considerably higher than is now accepted as the upper limit of human physiology. So plenty evidence, just maybe he didn't know what he was looking at.

 

[dellzeqq]

I think Liggett does himself a disservice: not only did he have no reason not to disbelieve Pharmstrong, he had every reason to believe him.

I've had the considerable pleasure of meeting Phil Liggett at CTC Council. He sees the world through rose-tinted specs because he's such a sweetie himself. In this case it turns out that he's too nice for his own good.